ON RESUMPTION
CHAIRPERSON: Yes Mr Obose, who is next?
MR OBOSE: Mr Chairman, it is Mr Nduku. His application appears at pages 99 to 105, thank you Mr Chairman.
CHAIRPERSON: Is that Mr Nduku? Can you give your full names please?
MR NDUKU: Ndozakhe Nduku.
NDOZAKHE NDUKU: (sworn states)
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, you may be seated. Mr Obose?
EXAMINATION BY MR OBOSE: Thank you Mr Chairman. You are attached to the South African Police Services, what rank do you hold Mr Nduku?
MR NDUKU: I am an Inspector.
MR OBOSE: In 1994, March, what rank did you hold?
MR NDUKU: I was a Sergeant.
MR OBOSE: Did you attend the meeting at Bisho Police College on the 22nd of March 1994?
MR NDUKU: Yes, that is correct.
MR OBOSE: Why?
MR NDUKU: I heard that all the Police were wanted at the College.
MR OBOSE: Who made this announcement, do you know?
MR NDUKU: I was just coming from Umtata, I just got that message that all the Police were at the College.
MR OBOSE: You then proceeded to the College?
MR NDUKU: Yes, that is correct.
MR OBOSE: What time did you get to Bisho Police College?
MR NDUKU: I arrived there after eight o'clock in the evening.
MR OBOSE: What did you find in the hall?
MR NDUKU: The people were singing freedom songs, the Police.
MR OBOSE: Any slogans, were they shouting?
MR NDUKU: Yes, that is correct.
MR OBOSE: Which ones?
MR NDUKU: They were saying "down with Gqozo" or "away with Gqozo".
MR OBOSE: What impression did you then gain from this gathering as a Policeman?
MR NDUKU: I just participated, I did not think of anything.
MR OBOSE: Did you see the nature of the gathering when you got there as being political or neutral?
MR NDUKU: It was more of a political mood or situation.
MR OBOSE: You said you joined in what was going on?
MR NDUKU: That is correct.
MR OBOSE: By doing what?
MR NDUKU: I joined the singing, saying (own interpretation) "down with Gqozo" or "away with Gqozo".
MR OBOSE: Did you want him to step down or not?
MR NDUKU: Yes, I wanted him to step down.
MR OBOSE: Did you get inside the hall or you couldn't, it was full and you were outside?
MR NDUKU: I stood at the entrance, I did not get inside.
MR OBOSE: Did you fetch any Officer, bringing him to the meeting?
MR NDUKU: No.
MR OBOSE: You just took part in what was going on there, by singing and shouting slogans?
MR NDUKU: Yes, that is correct.
MR OBOSE: Were you armed?
MR NDUKU: Yes, I was armed. As a Detective, my firearm is always with me.
MR OBOSE: And the other Policemen in the hall and in the parameters of the Bisho College?
MR NDUKU: I did not notice, but all I know is that I was armed.
MR OBOSE: Thank you, nothing further, Mr Chairman.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR OBOSE
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Mr Obose. Any questions Mr Nompozolo?
MR NOMPOZOLO: Thank you, no questions, Mr Chairman.
NO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR NOMPOZOLO
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, Ms Collett?
MS COLLETT: No questions.
NO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MS COLLETT
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you. Mr Mapoma, have you got any questions?
MR MAPOMA: Thank you Chairperson, no questions.
NO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR MAPOMA
CHAIRPERSON: Has the panel got anything?
ADV BOSMAN: Just one or two. Mr Nduku, did you know that the Officers were brought to the hall, the senior Officers?
MR NDUKU: I just saw them at the podium, maintaining the usual positions during the meetings.
ADV BOSMAN: Did you know that they were not allowed to leave?
MR NDUKU: No.
ADV BOSMAN: Did you identify with this whole scene there of the Officers being there and people not leaving the hall, did you associate yourself with that?
MR NDUKU: If it was said that you should do this, you were supposed to do that.
ADV BOSMAN: Thank you.
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you. Any re-examination?
MR OBOSE: None, thank you, Your Worship.
NO RE-EXAMINATION BY MR OBOSE
CHAIRPERSON: Mr Nduku, you are excused.
WITNESS EXCUSED
