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Amnesty Hearings

Type AMNESTY HEARING

Starting Date 25 November 1998

Location PALM RIDGE

Day 3

Names AUBREY MATLEMA MAILE

Case Number AM (?)

MR MOPEDI: Thank you, Mr Chairman. The next applicant is Aubrey Matlema Maile.

ADV STEENKAMP: Mr Chairman, his application appears on page 281 of the same bundle.

CHAIRPERSON: Which page number?

ADV STEENKAMP: 281, Mr Chairman.

CHAIRPERSON: Please stand and give us your full names.

AUBREY MATLEMA MAILE: (sworn states)

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Mopedi?

EXAMINATION BY MR MOPEDI: Thank you, Mr Chairman.

Mr Maile, you are also an applicant in this matter and do you also confirm that you were a member of the Self Defence Unit for the area Lusaka-A?

MR MAILE: That is correct.

MR MOPEDI: How old were you - before I come to that question, when did you join as a member of the Self Defence Unit?

MR MAILE: It was early 1993.

MR MOPEDI: Were you forced to join?

MR MAILE: No.

MR MOPEDI: What were your duties?

MR MAILE: My duties were to clean the firearms, store them. I used to keep some of these firearms at my parents' home. And also to work a way finder was those colleagues that would come and launch an attack. Those were my duties.

MR MOPEDI: Alright, in short you confirm what Simphiwe Godfrey Ndlovu has told this hearing?

MR MAILE: That is correct.

MR MOPEDI: Is there anything that you would like to add on what you have told us?

MR MAILE: Yes.

MR MOPEDI: You may proceed.

MR MAILE: There is one incident that has been mentioned by Simphiwe Ndlovu in which a taxi was attacked at the hostel gate. I was present. I am the one who went in front before him, to make sure that there were no police and I came back to give him the information to the effect that it was safe, we could then go. And then yes, we did go there. I think it was on the third circle at a street that is facing the hostel.

When we arrived there myself and Thulani had to make sure that we look out for the police and they were facing a direction towards the hostel. It was not long before we had arrived there, not more than five minutes. As we were looking around we heard gunshots after which Simphiwe and Sipho appeared fleeing.

As our duty to look out for the police, we continued doing that until we returned to our placed. That is the one role in which I partook.

MR MOPEDI: So on that day, did you make use of any firearm?

MR MAILE: I did not carry a firearm but Simphiwe and Sipho used to carry firearms.

MR MOPEDI: Thank you, Mr Chairman, no further questions.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MOPEDI

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, Mr Mopedi. Advocate Steenkamp?

MR MAILE: No questions, thank you, Mr Chairman.

NO QUESTIONS BY ADV STEENKAMP

CHAIRPERSON: I assume there would be no re-examination?

MR MOPEDI: Thank you, Mr Chairman, no re-examination.

NO RE-EXAMINATION BY MR MOPEDI

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, you are excused, thank you very much.

WITNESS EXCUSED

 
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