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Type AMNESTY HEARING
Starting Date 25 November 1998
Location PALM RIDGE
Names MONWABISI EBENEZER MHAMBI
Case Number AM 7048/97
MR MHAMBI: I can explain it this way. From 1993, if I'm not mistaken one when we were patrolling we were in Givani Street, the corner of Givani and Ngaki. We were used to patrolling during those days we found that there was one man in the road and we thought that he was one of the people who were under the ISU or the IFP.
To try and explain more, when we stopped these men, there were five of them and we did not trust these men because they were coming from the police car. When they were coming towards us they put their hands in their jackets. We were then forced to hurry because we didn't trust what was inside those jackets. We were then forced to go and face them. We were forced to shoot first before they could shoot at us.
Fortunately or unfortunately the four of them managed to run away. This one man when he was trying to run away he ran towards Lusaka section where we found him in a shack. If I'm not mistaken it was number 1776 in the circle. I think it's the third circle from Ngaki to Mkwaie.
When he was trying to lock himself inside the shack unfortunately we were already inside. When he was trying to get out, the firearm was in my hand at that time, when he was trying to get out through the window he did not have a chance. I hit him with the first bullet. He tried to run away towards the gate. I think from the gate to where he fell, I think it's about three or four metres. He then fell and then other bullets followed from myself, Monwabisi.
The other thing, the people who were with me I do remember some of them but I don't remember others, it was myself, Thulani Mshlango. If I'm not mistaken, Thlonono and Nkosana was staying in Mabuya but he passed away now. But because there were many of us I can't remember all of us. Unfortunately I don't remember the dates. I don't remember the dates of the incidents or the time but what I can say is it was in the morning.
Secondly, I'm also applying - if I'm not mistaken, Simphiwe raised this issue about the Dube incident. I was also involved in that incident, when we were attacking there in the morning. I am not going to repeat what he has already said.
And other matters like the incident in Jazavu, in Mshayazafe, I think Mshayazafe is facing the dry cleaner of Osizweni then but it's not here now. When we were going to that area, when we were about to reach Mshayazafe, before we got there there was a house that we used to use as our shooting range. I think before the violence started the owner of the house purchased some bricks. We would take those bricks and pack from the corner of the house to the corner of the shack and then we would open a space so that we can put in a firearm that we were using at the time. Those are the things I do remember now. That is all for now.
MR MOPEDI: Okay, let us start with the first incident that you have referred us to, that is the people that you met in the street and where four of them managed to run away and you followed the one who ran to Lusaka section. Do you know the name of that person?
MR MOPEDI: My question is, the person that you chased - I'll repeat it, the person that you chased to Lusaka section on that day, the one who tried to lock himself in a shack, was he known to you prior to the incident?
MR MHAMBI: What used to happen was that we would make investigations about a certain person but unfortunately concerning this person it was found that one of the people who were living in the same street as myself knew him. And in certain issues that used to happen outside some of the people used to see him. When I'm saying things that used to happen outside, I'm referring to when there was a function for the IFP. He would be there and he would take part to show that he was a member of the IFP.
MR MHAMBI: As I've already said, when we were patrolling we came across five men and this shows that I didn't go to him because I knew him or I did not know him but we wanted to know who were there and what was the connection between themselves and the ISU.
MR MHAMBI: I would put it this way to explain. What used to happen in Thokoza - to add more to what other people have already said, it was not necessary sometimes to get a letter to confirm that a certain person is a member of Inkatha Freedom Party.
What would happen Sir, is this. When we were using Khumalo Street - during the day of this incident we were in our bases and while we were still patrolling we would hear that there would be people who would be jumped off by the Stability Unit in the corner. Fortunately concerning this one, his jacket, the jacket that he was wearing, in the left-hand side of his jacket he had something on his jacket showing that he was with a certain group because a certain group would wear particular clothes so that you could see each other or identify each other so that you cannot attack each other. As the people were not trained we used to wear certain clothes to identify ourselves, prevent attacking ourselves.
MR MOPEDI: I'm referring to the second incident, the incident at Dube, that is in Dube Street, the house where you shot people. You don't have anything to add to that incident, you only confirm what Simphiwe Ndlovu, I mean Simphiwe Ndlovu's version?
MR MHAMBI: Let us start with the Leviza incident. After the Committee of Seven, before Mosa was elected as the sectional commander, there were street commanders before where we would meet and discuss what we would do today and what we would do the next day.
During the Leviza incident I think it was half of us who were there and other soldiers from other sections were there. This is what we discussed with the commanders of the other street. All in all Mosa was not my commander at that time because at that time he was not the commander of the section yet.
MR MHAMBI: I think if I'm not mistaken and according to what I said, what happened in Dube is connected with what happened there because when you are shooting you are shooting towards people. So it happens that when you are shooting you would shoot at a person and that person would be shot and you wouldn't know who that person is. Or that person would lie down because he could hear the sounds of the bullets even though he is not shot.
MR MHAMBI: It is like this, Sir. At the beginning we were working like this, before Mosa took over we would take a report and hand it over to Mfinos and he would hand it over, he would forwarded it. But what would happen while Mosa was in command, what he was doing was not different from what we were doing but the difference was that the weapons or the firearms that we used, they were used more than before. What I mean is that when you got to certain streets you would find that there was no control about the firearms and then it was decided that within the Committee of Seven a person would be elected to look at whatever was happening concerning the SDUs.
MR MHAMBI: Our duty was this. In the street that we were operating in we were to look at the situation around the street, that there are no unknown persons in that particular street. We were monitoring the situations in the street.
MR MHAMBI: That is correct. To add more, as I've already said that the people were misusing the bullets of the firearms, certain people were selected and we would look at the people if they members of the SDUs or they were using the firearms for their own needs. We didn't know exactly what was happening with the firearms or the organisation.