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Human Rights Violation Hearings
Type HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
Starting Date 18 July 1996
Names K M ROSINAH CHOLO
Case Number 00543
The first witness Mrs Rosina Chola will be giving evidence in connection with a murder. The second witness will be Maputi Tlhathla, it's an assault. The third will be Bakgane Baloi in the case of Johannes Baloi, it's a murder case.
We'll break for tea at 10H30, we'll resume at 11 o'clock when Lesiba Sasa will be giving evidence on death and property destruction. After that Sidwell Ramutschla will give evidence in a severe assault case, Makro Muthla Mafafo will give evidence in a case of being shot and wounded and then Eddie Simon Baloi will give evidence on his own behalf in connection with detention, solitary confinement and severe assault.
We hope to have arrived at this stage by lunch when we'll break till 2 o'clock when Philip Madraae will be giving evidence in an assault case, We have Mrs Cholo at the stand here. Mr Manthata will be the chairman for the day and I think I herewith dispense with my duty for the moment.
Before we start, let me first introduce the commissioners. On my left hand we have Professor Piet Meiring and then next is Russel Ally and on my right hand side we have Wynand Malan. Wynand has already introduced me, Tom Manthata. Mrs Rossina Cholo is now in front of us. Now we will ask Professor Piet Meiring to ask Mrs Rosina to take the oath before she starts.
DR ALLY: Mrs Cholo, you've come this morning to speak about a grand daughter who was killed. Before I ask you in your own words to relate what happened, I would just like to say that today, this morning, quite a few of the cases which we will be dealing with took place in Hamathlala where it appears that there was a chiefly dispute, and that this dispute was also affected by some f the political events of that period, late 1970's, early 1980's, and the dispute often revolved around different political allegiances. I would just like to say that if there are any other members in the audience who were also victims of this dispute, but have not yet made statements, we do have statement takers here, they can approach any of the members of the Truth Commission, because we don't want the impression to be created that because most of the disputes which we will be dealing with today seem come from one side of the political conflict, that the Truth Commission is in any way taking sides in this conflict. Those are the statements which we received but for the Truth Commission it is important that we hear from all sides of the political conflict. So I say again, if there are people in the audience who have not yet made statements which show other sides of the political conflict, our statement takers will be only too glad to take your statements during the course of the day.
Mrs Cholo you are coming to speak to us about what happened to your grand daughter, Frieda, in 1980. I'm going to ask you now in your own words and in your own time to tell us about this event. Thank you.
MRS CHOLO: What happened in my house, I was in my house with my grand daughter and her mother. When they came they came by storm and told us to leave. We went with them, we found a car which was full of people and we wanted to hear why we were being called, because they didn't tell us when they took us at home. They chopped my grand daughter and we heard her crying when we...(intervention) (witness overcome)
DR ALLY: Our researchers have tried to find out what was happening in your village during this period and from the research which they have done, it seems that, and I would like you to tell me whether this is the case, that this conflict was as a result of an instruction given that people had to move from one village to another village, from Gomo village to Simaneng village, is that what was happening at the time, do you remember?
DR ALLY: When you grand daughter was killed during this time, she was struck on the head. Did you lose anything else. Did you lose your hut or your house or cattle or cows. What else did you lose, what else happened besides your grand daughter being killed?
MRS CHOLO: The chief ran away because there were conflicts and the people were killing each other. They killed his younger brother, so he ran away. We didn't know where and most people now joined the ANC.
MRS CHOLO: The problems and troubles made the chief to run away because they also killed his younger brother. We don't know who killed his younger brother, we just think the people of that village did because they didn't want him to be the chief.
MR MANTHATA: Thank you Mrs Cholo for coming forward here, we can tell that things have been very bad and we understand that they killed your granddaughter in a very bad way. We can see what we can do. We thank you for coming forward.