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Operation Zero ZeroExplanation ... what I did say I delegated my powers, I mean you don't expect the Commissioner to go and sit there and really go into detailed arrangements for an operation like that. And as I have explained Brigadier Ngcobo and Major Simms they were the two people in charge down there, but I went there as ... MR TOPI DOMINIC TLADI: In September 1984, it was on the 3rd, in Sharpeville we were having an operation clean up. Just when we finished cleaning up we decided to go and have some lunch. Just before we went home we stood at the corner of the street together with my friends. We were talking and as ... MR VAN WYK: There is a history since 1994 in respect of your co-operation with the police and the investigation that there was several non-disclosures, do you concede that? MR LAMEY: Because nobody mentioned Mr Willemse's name here actually and if Mr Willemse on the basis that he went along with you to visit Mr Radebe, then Mr Willemse would have known about the actual operation. Mr Flores, you've prepared an application in terms of Section 18 of Act 34 of 1995, presented it to the TRC Committee in Cape Town and provided your full co-operation with the TRC Committee's Investigating Team, is that correct? MR LAX: Yes, I understand that being the motive of the operation, but I want you to turn to page, do you have the documents in front of you, page 3? Page 3 forms part of your amnesty application, dated the 25th of April 1997. The date is on the previous page, the page after that. MR BIZOS: "It would have the effect that particularly the youth would vote for them. I reported to Commandant Roodt to this effect. Roodt then also, himself, took control of this operation and saw to it that the funds would not go to Mr Clive Derby-Lewis.". Mr Vermeulen, you are an applicant for amnesty in this matter and you've given your full co-operation to the TRC, is that correct? MR GALELA: What I would like to say is that I did not live peacefully because what the police did then was that they had a, they conducted an operation known as Hot Pursuit and even then they said that there were many ways to skin a cat. This is what the Boers said. Thereafter they killed the ... MR RAS: No. He would have known that it would be used in order to kill people, but he wasn't informed specifically about the operation. MR VISSER: Can you recall who accompanied you there and who participated in the operation? The second announcement is that if you are in possession of a cellphone, please switch that phone off now as it can be very disturbing particularly for the witnesses. Thank you very much for your co-operation. MR PIGOU: Did you not find it strange Father Mkhatswa that you were engaged in such an operation? I mean I personally find it very peculiar that to find out something what is essentially very simple and straightforward whether someone is being held against their will or whether they are being ... Evidence tendered by family members of Patrick Mahlangu corroborated the version of the 7th applicant that he was only involved in the deep cover operation, and not in the abduction. Furthermore, they were informed that these detonators were needed for an approved operation. I ratified their action and the provision of the detonators ex post facto. I understood and accepted that these detonators would be applied against the liberation organisations and that persons would ... MR DU PLESSIS: Before the operation of car theft started, that was at the game farm. I'd say the Saturday evening, if that's correct, Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON: Okay. Let me ask you this then. In the operation in which Mr Els died, how did you fit into the structure then? ... did not do the submission to the Chairperson, it was not my project. Only at the eleventh hour was I instructed by Staal Burger to execute the operation for the project with regard to the ape foetus matter at the Archbishop's house, I did not do any submissions, I received a direct ... "We dropped the IFP Chairlady and we discussed that we should indeed have this operation. We returned home, the three of us. As we were at Nklasagazi before we crossed the bridge, people from Montabela should know this area, we met some women who were standing along the road. ... me, I told him what had happened the previous day and he checked my eyes, and said that I had to be operated upon. I signed consent to undergo an operation. I was supposed to sign a consent but I refused and asked them to call my mother and when she came she also had the hope that I would get ... |
