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Operation Zero ZeroExplanation Showing 901 to 920 of 1009 First Page•Previous Page 42 •43 •44 •45 •46 •47 •48 •49 •50 Next Page•Last PageCHAIRPERSON: I understand that this was not a matter of a simple interpretation, but it required the co-operation of a number of people including the applicant, but I gather we are now satisfied with the version that has been put up and we should, perhaps, mark it 35A so that it can go into the ... MR BOOYENS: And as far as you are concerned, if the Vlakplaas operation was disclosed it would be an effective piece of machinery, according to you perception, possibly it would have rendered it useless and so on, is that correct? ...(transcriber's interpretation) ... that his general instructions were to seek, identify and attack the enemy, as well as to train other cadres and to command them in whatever operation that was being embarked upon. Applicant testified that on 21st January 1993 he commanded a unit of APLA cadres to attack policemen working ... "Look, we've got our target, the policeman" and an hour later they have their weapons and they go into the house. It just seems that to arrange an operation like this, there had to be some form of planning and it seems clear, Chairperson, that yes, Mr Andrew Chauke did go to that house, he did ... MR VAN DYK: That is correct. I wouldn't say that his courage failed him completely, I think perhaps he didn't want to carry on with the operation, but after we spoke we then together, both of us went to the wooden house. MR VISSER: He also said that after he had committed this task in co-operation with Mamome and Ramouseau, he reported back and you were not satisfied that they did not remove enough articles from that house and that you thought he had to remove more articles from that house to simulate a break-in. the persons inside the shop. They escaped from the scene in their vehicle which waited for them outside the shop. They reported the success of the operation to Mtambo and also returned the weapons which he supplied. The Applicants and Mbambo were subsequently arrested and tried. Mbambo was ... ... returned to Beaufort West. After approximately two weeks, he was informed that one "Mandla" (an alias) would be sent from Umtata to assist in the operation. He showed Mandla the layout of the area and briefed him about the plan for the attack. There is some doubt as to who Mandla is/was as ... When we entered, we instructed them to lay down. Mr Ngwenya led us in the operation. Then Mr le Krish volunteered to show us where the safes are, where guns are put. He went there, then he informed us that he is not able to find the keys. Then Mrs le Krish told us that she would go and ask ... ... because the situation is there, the fact that there may not be full competence at the time of the application, it certainly doesn't exclude the operation of the act, it's not a juristic transaction where you have to have a contractual capacity, and in the same as sense the Committee now ... ... such activity. Mr Vlok was emphatic in stating that the maximum effort mustbe made to ensure that no lives were put at risk when carryingout the ... ... operated upon. When I came back from Kalafong I was re-admitted to the hospital. I was transferred back to Kalafong where I underwent a second ... Would it be correct if I were to assume that for this operation you would of had to have a meeting place somewhere that you know to part of the plan was that at some place people would meet and gather and then station themselves at strategic points and so. Would I be correct in assuming that? Who do you think in your own mind, was responsible for the entire operation, the entire plan? MR BLOSE: No, not at all. That was mainly to avoid the leakage of information and also to protect the operation so everything was compartmentalised. MR RICHARD: Now the question is the following, did you intend to kill the deceased Constable, when you set out on your operation that evening, that morning? Mr Makura, in this operation, were you carry out orders? ... to protect the community. When the shooting took place he also aligned himself with the actions of his colleagues who also participated in this ... ADV GCABASHE: So when you were in command of a particular operation you never split up into sub-groups, it's this one group that would follow the IFP chaps who had been attacking you, one group? So can I please ask for your co-operation in that regard. Was that the other point? |
