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PassExplanation MR BERGER: But if that is so Brigadier, why when Mr Dirk Coetzee apparently came to you and said he's got a plan to kill Marius Schoon, why didn't you pass that on to Military Intelligence? MR SANDI: Are there any specific requests that you would like to raise to this Commission so that it can pass them over to the State President and his colleagues? MR PHOSA: Now, let’s pass on to something else. Were you ever involved in the interrogation of Mr Mthimkhulu? MR DE KOCK: Well Chairperson, it was not a difficult situation because the house was right next to the freeway, so to pass it would not be a problem and to do the reconnaissance. We would drive past the vehicle and if we could see black passengers inside the vehicle, we would drive back, pass them and the road had a slight hill and a turn, we would then have flashed our headlights and then Andrè Visser would have connected the blue light. ... about coming up and living with Azania. I had one on my door there, and it was written by one of the freedom fighters from Mozambique. "If ever you pass by this grave when I am dead whisper to me and tell me that Africa is free, grown free." It was my prayer, because right from our time when we ... point in time he went out without explaining further as to what had actually happened. My mother called me and sent me to Mrs Inklenyena's house to pass on the message that my father had since died and at that time I was still very young and I was not fully conversant with what my mother was ... MR VAN DER MERWE: No it's not exactly about the second story that the person might tell to you but in the rendition of his information he might just pass on a number of untruths which would have to be tested in order to prove the converse? CHAIRPERSON: It is clearly a statement dealing with the explosion, but it doesn't appear to be in the format that one would have expected it for a pass of an amnesty application. MR MBANDAZAYO: Now let me pass and come exactly again, it was asked many times, I've come exactly to the order. Can you again exactly tell the Committee what was the specific order that you were given by Themba Ncapai? Let me tell you what. Was the order specifically that you go to the farm and ... would pass Vlakplaas, reach a T-junction and turn right. This gravel road then led back to Attridgeville MR PHOSA: Okay, let’s take that. Now most people I know of, in fact all that I’ve come across who need any substance to assist them whilst they write exams, they’re struggling to keep awake - not to fall asleep, they don’t want to sleep. Don’t you know that people want to keep awake to pass exams? down on the side and I was on the other side and then I went on the other direction to the car, I did not go towards his direction. He was going to pass my direction, so when I hit him I went back to the car using the direction that I'd used when I was going to that ... CHAIRPERSON: We welcome you Freda for accompanying your father. I will pass you to Wynand Malan who will let you take the oath. ... important and we’ve got to find the time so that everybody has a fair hearing, and we are aware too of the anguish through which you have had to pass over so many years and, in a way, although we’re still going to hear your testimony, it is wonderful that you have been vindicated. And we ... ... and they asked are you Duma and I said yes. They said dress up and come along with us. I dressed up, I left with them. I actually took my pass and I went with them. They went to Don Gwise (?) and he was not there. They left for Oupa (?) place and they found him and they took him to ... ... on the document on your papers and that there is another one that he wanted to give you yesterday and it is at that page 22. Perhaps, I, could I pass that ... ... MR DUKADA: And then after you completed your police training, there was a pass-out parade in Umtata, is that correct? MR MNQANDI: Did you at any stage pass Mr Gumengu? different time and pass judgement and give us your view of the matter. |