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people's warExplanation The Amnesty Committee is of the opinion that the families of the deceased referred to in Counts 5, 6, 7 and 8 and the people that were injured referred to in Counts 9 and 10 and Gary Atkinson, the co-owner and manager of the Heidelberg Tavern are victims in relation to the incident and they are ... MR MSIZA: On the 21st in 1985, the 21st of November, there was a stay-away action in Mamelodi in connection with the rent issue. All Mamelodi's people had not gone to work because we wanted to discuss the rent issue, but all the residents decided that we were going to the office. Before people ... Whether they were people that she agreed with politically or not, she was always fiercely there and I would just like us to acknowledge the presence please, of Helen Suzmann, thank you. MR MDLULWA: There was a lot of confusion, full of people, I cannot remember who else was there. During this shoot-out there was a pandemonium, the others were crying on the other side as we were also returning fire, we also had to save them, try to remove them and try to calm them down. And as we have heard your instructions then were to try to prevent the attack and to arrest people. MR BOTHA: Is this an all inclusive list or is it that you may be mistaken about the names of some of the people and where you incorrectly are nominating people who were present and that you have omitted persons who were indeed present? MR VISSER: That included that he came to Pretoria on a particular day to speak to Brigadier Cronje and that he was introduced to two people, one he couldn't remember the other one was Captain Hechter and thirdly that you were present at a meeting where Roos discussed the problems relating to ... Norman does not stay at home. He comes now and again. They called him and requested his ID. They then said you are a member of the Dodo family. He said yes. They then said they want guns. He said he does not know anything about guns. They beat him up. They beat him up, threw him into the ... These people went to attack. It was the two Applicants and one Mtangwenyawo. The first Applicant knocked at the door. The deceased opened the door, the second Applicant then fired a shot at him. After that they all left and sent back to Luthuli's house. MS SEROKE: Do you know those people who did that because in your statement you talked about Mampati and Mabelo. Then at seven o' clock we left with my husband. We went at the 16th, the way they directed us. We found many people on the street. They were looking at, they were surprised. When we arrived there we saw one policeman who was standing in one of the houses. That house was riddled with bullets ... 3. All the applicants were members of a political party and acted against people they believed to be their political opponents. Although they aver that they received an order to kill the deceased, the Committee cannot find that such an order was explicitly given,but on evidence, it is clear that ... testified or attested to affidavits before us and accordingly we have no details of such people. Nevertheless, it is clear that should they come forward and satisfy the Reparation Committee that they were injured during the course of the incidents they would be entitled to be treated as victims ... MR VISSER: You mentioned to him, or mention was made that the persons wanted to go to Swaziland in order to establish contact with the ANC MK in Swaziland in order to further the people's war strategy and to entrench and promote this amongst the students in South Africa? MR KHOTLE: I will start with Great Storm. Firstly, Operation Great Storm, or in the 1990's was declared the decade of intensification of the armed struggle and the people's offensive. That is where the Operation Great Storm was originated from. CHAIRPERSON: My concern Mr van den Berg, is that we would like to finish this matter. We've lost a lot of time today, we started late. I don't want to adjourn until tomorrow and then find we can't finish, because unfortunately tomorrow we will have to adjourn early because certain people have to ... place called Makaleni. It was very bad, from 1985 and 1986 we couldn't sleep at night because there was war between Azapo and UDF. We would get into bed dressed, even as parents. Our children could not be at home for a long time, and I could see that Azapo and UDF were fighting because there ... According to the applicant he was instructed by Jerome Mncwabe to do something that would scare the UDF people living in Zone One to such an extent that they would leave the area. The objective was to cause the UDF people staying in Zone One to flee the area so that it could become IFP territory. ... ... we understood at some stage, never should start off and say that, you will recall that by that time, we had already become accustomed, or rather aware that the enemy at the time had already embarked on a program which was to turn some of our people into what we now refer to as Askaris and at ... me that the robbery was an operation planned by PAC or its military wing APLA. As indicated earlier, it appeared that the Police had acquired prior warning of the robbery operation. In fact various other PAC members including Horatius Motswadi and others were also arrested. During the ... |
