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people's warExplanation Showing 281 to 300 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 •19 Next Page•Last PageADV GCABASHE: You are saying there were lots of people at home, your home? MS GOBODO-MADIKIZELA: I see something here in your statement which was not here before, where you mention that this Rastafarian guy kept on coming to the people and would then go back to the police and then you heard them calling out to shoot. The Rasta went to the police then came back to us and ... The Committee is of the opinion that a decision regarding this incident should be postponed until evidence in other applications relating to the same incident has been heard. The applicant mentioned the names of Messrs. Eugene de Kock, Chappies Klopper, Willie Nortje, Sarel Jansen van Rensburg, ... I was taken again from the Police Station, Vuyane Police Station. They phoned Tshitale Police Station. I was taken by the Vuyane Police people to the place called next to Elim. The Tshitale police were phoned. The Vuyane police were told that I must be tied, my hands should be tied together, ... Both, or all these three incidents, it does appear that the applicant was in the company of a superior or of other people he regarded as his own comrades, and in execution of a mission which was tabled or which was agreed upon between the members or was the instructions, the direct instructions of ... MS MKHIZE: Now that you are here at the Commission you also said Andrew had a child and you will appreciate if you could get some aid or help. What else would you require the Commission to help you with regarding the grandchild? You also stated that you would like us to help find your son. Is ... This, obviously, annoyed the ANC and their committee in exile decided that I had to be eliminated. A letter was written to the Rivonia High Command by Theunissen Makiwane, who was then in charge of the ANC office in Dar es Salaam while Oliver Thambo was in London. This letter was then sent to ... MS VILAKAZI: I would be in a position to do so, although it would be hearsay. It would be better conveyed by the family itself, but from the consultation, what came to light is the fact that there have been personal problems, call it jealousy if you wish, between the deceased, his family and ... Later that day there was another attack by the IFP in the area where the applicant and some of the ANC people lived. The applicant and his friends thought of defending themselves but as they were hopelessly outnumbered, they fled from the area. The applicant said that Sitofu was among the ... On 15 March, I was a member of those people who were taking the memorandum. He read the memorandum, he explained to us that 20 minutes we should disperse. When we were supposed to disperse, they gave an order that the police should shoot us. It was terrible. CHAIRPERSON: The reasons for yesterday's premature adjournment was that we needed a particular type of interpreter. This hearing was adjourned till nine o'clock this morning. It is now ten to ten. I speak on behalf of the panel. We are not very happy about that. Since this meeting was ... MR ROBEY: They said they had a bit of difficulty when the incident took place, when the shooting started. A lot of people tried to surround them, they then, when they were running back to the vehicle, they fired a couple of shots in the air because there was a group of people trying to surround ... Incident 13: The assault of torturing of a member or members of a group of 19 people arrested at Ladybrand on 6 April 1986. The applicant testified that he assaulted members of the above group after they were detained at Fountains Police Station at Bloemfontein. The Committee is satisfied that ... CHAIRPERSON: Well I think this is a - we suffered last week in all the applications that were supposed to be heard because notice had been given properly and there were people who had been transferred from Westville Prison and I think that steps must be taken to ensure that our office in Cape Town, ... CHAIRPERSON: So may I say a very warm welcome to both of you and I hope that both of you can hear so that you can follow and hear the questions and that we can listen to you. There are a lot of people out there so if you can speak quite loudly, that will help. I'm going to hand over now to Ms ... MRS MPANDE: There was a lot of interruption. Every night they use to surround the fence. They use to ask the people, what do you want here, go away and what. The roads were blocked from Beaufort Street top up to upper Ragland Road, cars could not go past. He then asked for Wellington, because he said there are people here who have come to burn him. I then warned him to hide either under the bed or in the wardrobe. When I looked through the window, there was a whole horde of people. Sit a little bit nearer to the microphone so that other people can hear you. Thank you. Before we begin, may I ask you to stand to take the oath. MR HATTINGH: One may be aware of the people around or that there are other people shooting elsewhere. You may see who it is but your attention is not drawn to the members of your unit but rather to the people whom you have to attack. ADV SANDI: Thank you Mr Chairman. Mr Vermeulen, if this thing about people getting plots for participation, if the coup had been successful in the Transkei, why did you not say in your affidavit, that this was just a joke? |
