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people's warExplanation Showing 281 to 300 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 •19 Next Page•Last PageMR MAKHAWULA: No, I do not remember because I was never close to these people that we were shooting at. MR LAMEY: While doing street patrols in Mamelodi in order to trace these MK people, is that correct? Various efforts were attempted, including resorting to the assistance of the police and no help ...[indistinct] the way of the community. The community tried its own endeavours, firstly by talking to the parents of the criminals concerned, in some instances assaulting them and in some instances ... Applicant was asked if he could distinguish a PAC member from an ANC member, and his response was that he could not. He concluded his testimony by stating that he only realises now that they were shooting at the wrong people, explaining that it was not easy to tell ANC persons apart from other ... Similarly on the question of proportionality, the context must be considered, he submitted. In those days, Applicant argued, the mere suspicion that one was an informer attracted the most dire consequences, because people's lives and livelihood were at stake. An informer could thus not be ignored. When the fight started there was a group of 11 to 12 IFP members present who had traditional weapons. He was the only person who shot anybody. He did not hear anyone ask them if they were Zulu but fired at people who were armed to protect his comrades. He later denied he heard any shots. When ... On the next day the group armed with firearms, ammunition, hand grenades and petrol bombs attacked the King William's Town Golf Club at approximately 21H50. A year-end dinner was being held by the King William's Town Wine Circle in the dining hall and a number of people were in the bar of ... MR MNGUNI: The people were killing us in such a way that it was possible for us to engage in fighting and killing them ultimately in the event of us coming across them. It is therefore quite clear that the deceased was not perceived by the local people as an enemy. Although the applicant contended that he was not living in the old location and it was his first visit to this location, and he had never before this incident, seen a white man in the location, we do ... MR DLAMINI: It was myself, comrade Themba, Jacky Macheo and Bafana Baloi. In 1990 we attacked Mr Msizi's house, we threw petrol bombs. We did so because Msizi was one of the councillors who used to harass and give hardships to the community. It includes arresting people and evicting people from ... MS VAN DER WALT: Were you in any way involved with the preparation or the identification of the houses and any monitoring, to determine how many people would be inside the houses? 3. Assaults on various people during the interrogation following the Cafe Zurich bomb explosion. "At the time it was common knowledge that the police were collaborating in harassing the ANC. There had been many instances where people, that is ANC people had been killed, shot at. At one time a house attack, that is the Midlands Chairperson, Mr Harry Gwala, which had been attacked by these ... The Committee is satisfied that the attack was associated with a political objective, that the Applicant has made a full disclosure of the role he played in the attack and of the identity of the other people involved. 3rd Applicant's evidence was that he drove the vehicle in which Schoon and 1st Applicant went to the function at Malopo's Oog. He was not part of any of the discussions relating to this incident. On the way back he recalls 1st Applicant and Schoon discussing things about a problem. He recalls ... the police station. My mother was not willing to go, I was not willing to go. Eventually I went. When I arrived at the police station to go and find out what was happening, one of the policemen was very rude to me. He said to me: " Who are you coaming for?" and I said I'm coaming for Jonathan ... MRS MPANDE: There was a lot of interruption. Every night they use to surround the fence. They use to ask the people, what do you want here, go away and what. The roads were blocked from Beaufort Street top up to upper Ragland Road, cars could not go past. CHAIRPERSON: So may I say a very warm welcome to both of you and I hope that both of you can hear so that you can follow and hear the questions and that we can listen to you. There are a lot of people out there so if you can speak quite loudly, that will help. I'm going to hand over now to Ms ... "First we decided that the Bontheuwel Rent Office was going to be a target and then we had to do reconnaissance work ensuring that nobody should get hurt in the incident, whether it was safe to do it, whether there were people using the street at that time of the night and that was what we first ... MR VISSER: Chairperson, we are talking about something which has happened more than 10 years ago, 1987, 12 years ago. It is possible that either Coetzee or Olifant might be mistaken. Coetzee gives the explanation, he says that it was very important that the instructions had to be carried, ... |
