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people's warExplanation Showing 281 to 300 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 •19 Next Page•Last PageMS DANO: I am positive that he would be giving a list of people who had beaten him up. MR HATTINGH: One may be aware of the people around or that there are other people shooting elsewhere. You may see who it is but your attention is not drawn to the members of your unit but rather to the people whom you have to attack. ADV SANDI: Thank you Mr Chairman. Mr Vermeulen, if this thing about people getting plots for participation, if the coup had been successful in the Transkei, why did you not say in your affidavit, that this was just a joke? MRS NQIQHI: No. At that time he was in jail for having stabbed Tando Sisant in the neck. He was sentenced to six months' he was at St. Alberts and I used to go there and tell him about the situation where the people were being murdered by necklace. But having said that, I want to make it very clear that we understand the feelings that go through those who lost their people in the events about which we are going to be taking evidence from witnesses. But I want to emphasise that our training and the attitude of the Commission and this ... that time I was sleeping at my place of work, but I was off on that Friday, and on my arrival my sister-in-law said the Special branch people were here again, looking for malawu. MR BOSCH: Yes, there was some movement, people were walking in and out at that stage. MS THABETHE: Mr Chair, I did ask him about it, he says he doesn't know the names of the people who actually carried out the assault, all he remembers is that from Maseru he was taken to Parys and from Parys he was taken to Bloemfontein and he was assaulted when he arrived at Parys but I didn't want ... ... it is because we were fleeing and we were not caught in Upington. I remained in those cells and it was very, very poor circumstances. Some of the warders and the officers, they swore at us especially when most of the comrades went out they swore at us. Sometimes we had to fight against these ... DR BORAINE: Good. That is excellent. Mrs Mokhonwana, you have come to tell the story of your son, Obed, and we have been listening since early this morning about the KwaNdebele massacre, as it has become known, when at least nine people were killed and one of them was your son and you carry that ... from Marble Hall which comes through Moutse. We came by foot on that road. Then we came through Motete. We went to Bondue where I am staying. When I arrived at Bondue Village where I am staying it was at sunset. My wife said my son is nowhere to be found. I asked what happened. There is a ... MR BELLINGHAN: Some people did not keep to this arrangement, they, for instance, didn't say when they were going to the Eastern Transvaal or wherever, and at a later conference there was a bit of a spat about this, about certain members of Vlakplaas who didn't co-operate. That changed drastically ... MR BAKER: Mr Chairman, we'd all been drinking and I didn't feel that the canteen was the place ...(indistinct) the time to question people. The evidence of the applicant was not satisfactory in regard to the instructions he received from Bhuquza Mbonambi. In response to questions contained in the application form for amnesty relating to whether the offences were committed in execution of an order and who gave the order, the applicant ... MR LAMEY: Then the suggestion is also created in this regard that here you simply set up people to have them shot, that you set them up in a robbery merely to shoot them. If you were to think back, would you have continued with the operation if these persons had not indicated any intention to ... She stated that she and her husband and child went to Pretoria at approximately 15h00 on 1st August 1993. Their visit to Pretoria was unplanned and they left for Pretoria without any notice on an urgent basis. She accordingly denied the 1st Applicant's version that they were told during the ... When the policemen from Phalaborwa came, and they got us at the meeting, they came to the Lutheran Church where we were holding the meeting and they threw teargas-canisters at us. Then people started scattering in all directions and ran, but I never ran away. That's when I was taken and ... The attackers left behind death and destruction. Of the 13 people who lost their lives, 9 were very young. Some were 1 year, 3 years, 5 years and 7 years of age. The other four were; Xulu's wife Nelsisiwe who had been hacked to death outside the house; Xulu's son, Jabulani; his daughter ... And do you know of other cases of people, you said that 20 were detained at the same time that you were detained, do you know if they were also tortured, did they discuss any of what happened to them with you? The Committee is of the opinion that a decision regarding this incident should be postponed until evidence in other applications relating to the same incident has been heard. The applicant mentioned the names of Messrs. Eugene de Kock, Chappies Klopper, Willie Nortje, Sarel Jansen van Rensburg, ... |
