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people's warExplanation Showing 901 to 920 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 42 •43 •44 •45 •46 •47 •48 •49 •50 Next Page•Last PageCHAIRPERSON: Yes Mr Webster, we'll be here at 9.30 tomorrow morning and there are people who are coming specifically for the matter that is set down tomorrow. Mr Pravine Gordon and Mr Lala? MR KHUMALO: I apologise to the people who lost their lives because of the political situation because what happened and what we did was because of the system of apartheid, not because we were there for personal gain. This happened to them because they were members of the IFP, an organisation that ... The operation was not carried out in accordance with the original plan because whilst the Applicants were strategically placing explosive cables around the out building structure Y, which was known to accommodate the alleged infiltrators, one of the ANC activists came out and noted the ... CHAIRPERSON: Thank you. Well then in the circumstances, we will then have to adjourn this matter to a date to be arranged. We will now be proceeding still with these hearings on Monday in Pretoria, in respect of the so-called Zero-Zero hearings, so I'll be seeing some people in Pretoria on ... MR VISSER: Yes. Yes, while we're on that point, Mr Chairman, Ms Thabethe has an impossible task, it seems, to bring matters forward. Perhaps the problem here is in the whole attempt to place matters for certain dates. It would seem and the present hearings do seem to be the best example of that, ... MS VAN DER WESTHUIZEN: Mr Chairperson, the whereabouts of certain witnesses who might be able to assist the Committee to come to a final decision in this matter, became known to me last night, it was actually confirmed that there are still people who is residing in the Jabulani hostel. I was also ... Although he might have used the vehicle for a political purpose, the persistent denial is a problem. We are not a Court of Appeal. Obviously the Magistrate disbelieved him, hence the conviction. We have turned down many such applications in the past, otherwise we would have opened the door for ... CHAIRPERSON: I think we must bear in mind that we're talking of something nine years ago and for people to remember precisely who was in what car at what stage of the journey, is ... Right, questions? CHAIRPERSON: Yes, I wanted to make everybody aware who is here, our life-span is really limited and it is our view and the considered view that we cannot allow postponements. Like we are here, we've got to finish everything here in Bloemfontein. We won't come back and should there be a matter ... The 3rd Applicant has been a member of the ANC since 1982. During September 1984 he was a teacher at Amangwe High School near Empangeni, his employer being the KwaZulu Government. He was also at that time actively involved in ANC matters particularly in regard to setting up structures within the ... On the night of the incident he and his comrades one "Wizz" Rantla and Mosa Nkuta were on a reconnaissance mission in a stolen vehicle. The police suspected the car to be a stolen vehicle and tried to stop them. They drove off and managed to get away and got out of the car at White City. The ... MR SIMANGA: Insp Mfene showed the dissatisfaction of the government, of the way the government was treating us as the police in the former Ciskei and the working conditions and the things that were happening such as killing of people. The Applicants testified that they were members of the security department of the ANC at the time and were asked to investigate complaints by the community in Dambuza. This involved complaints about intimidation by a gang led by the deceased. There were allegations that this gang acted in support ... The salient features of the undisputed versions of Applicants are as follows. They were resident in Cradock and were members of the Cradock Youth Association ("Cradoya") at the time of the incident. Their political affiliation is confirmed in letters addressed to the Committee by the Cradock ... Thank you chairperson - perhaps just before I ask the witness to take the oath, the translation devices that we’ve got, enables people to listen in to the testimony in the language to which you can follow. Now on the black box section of the translation device there are two wheels, the one wheel ... CHAIRPERSON: The other people who gave evidence, referred to the Jubilee Hotel, saying that they were called there, were you also called? I must stress that we are not making a finding that all the latter three people are entitled to have their amnesty applications heard. What we are doing is endeavouring to make arrangements or to ensure that arrangements are made that at the adjourned hearing, the Committee which hears the ... MR SANDI: Even though you did not warn me that I am going to be thanking these people, therefore what I will ... that had been administered and people were dispersing and running away. There were caspers, there were police vehicles and they were driving towards us as parents and we also ran because they were chasing ... CHAIRPERSON: Good morning everybody. Today we are going to hear the applications for amnesty of the following people, T Mutle, P Mfusa, N F Ranoto, Nkuna and S P Blose. |
