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people's warExplanation It is common knowledge, Mr Chairman, that the people who participated in Self Defence Units were ordinary members of the community who were not part of the leadership of the African National Congress and were often unaware of the decisions of the leadership. CHAIRPERSON: Well I think we're all in your hands. Is it likely to be anything that people would want other witnesses to deal with? "I, David Solomon Simelane, wish to make the following statement as requested by the Amnesty Committee of the TRC. I am a co-applicant for the amnesty of the killing of the two people in Mamelodi. I have read the statement of Christopher Mnisi, and confirm the contents thereof where reference is ... MS CAMBANIS: Do you know whether people went onto the second and third floor of the building? 2. Amnesty is GRANTED in respect of the murder of an unknown person and the attempted murder of an unknown number of people, all being supporters of the UDF/ANC at the Esikhomplazi Shop at or near Ermelo during 1990. MRS TIYA: Pardon me. Aga started to be a scholar at St. Patricks. He did his matric at Zingiza School. If I can remember very well about his political involvement the teacher from Zingiza came to report that he was arrested and detained. During that time there was a curfew but it was reported that ... The police was shooting at the people and I didn't manage to survive, I was also shot with two pelletS that ultimately made me fall. While I was still on the floor I heard another two shots and they went straight into my leg MMABATHO HEARING TRC/NORTH WEST MR BRITZ: He only told me that there were problems with the operation and that we had to go to Middelburg to go and meet people there. The committee is of the opinion that Gerbrecht Salomina Van Wyk and/or her dependants, as also the people injured, are victims in relation to the incident and they are accordingly referred to the committee on Reparation and Rehabilitation in terms of Section 22(1) of the Act. You probably know from seeing television about previous hearings, that in other places where we’ve been, the members of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission have gone to one town and asked people from all the surrounding areas to come them. This time when we realised what long distances people ... MR KHUBHEKA: I was in possession of a 9mm short, it was myself as well as Mfanafuthi, Mr Ngwenya, the two of us had firearms. When we got there, the door was open and the people were sitting around the table. That is when we pointed the firearms at them and told them the reason for our visit, we ... 3. All the applicants were members of a political party and acted against people they believed to be their political opponents. Although they aver that they received an order to kill the deceased, the Committee cannot find that such an order was explicitly given,but on evidence, it is clear that ... MR VISSER: You mentioned to him, or mention was made that the persons wanted to go to Swaziland in order to establish contact with the ANC MK in Swaziland in order to further the people's war strategy and to entrench and promote this amongst the students in South Africa? MR KHOTLE: I will start with Great Storm. Firstly, Operation Great Storm, or in the 1990's was declared the decade of intensification of the armed struggle and the people's offensive. That is where the Operation Great Storm was originated from. CHAIRPERSON: My concern Mr van den Berg, is that we would like to finish this matter. We've lost a lot of time today, we started late. I don't want to adjourn until tomorrow and then find we can't finish, because unfortunately tomorrow we will have to adjourn early because certain people have to ... testified or attested to affidavits before us and accordingly we have no details of such people. Nevertheless, it is clear that should they come forward and satisfy the Reparation Committee that they were injured during the course of the incidents they would be entitled to be treated as victims ... According to the applicant he was instructed by Jerome Mncwabe to do something that would scare the UDF people living in Zone One to such an extent that they would leave the area. The objective was to cause the UDF people staying in Zone One to flee the area so that it could become IFP territory. ... ... we understood at some stage, never should start off and say that, you will recall that by that time, we had already become accustomed, or rather aware that the enemy at the time had already embarked on a program which was to turn some of our people into what we now refer to as Askaris and at ... place called Makaleni. It was very bad, from 1985 and 1986 we couldn't sleep at night because there was war between Azapo and UDF. We would get into bed dressed, even as parents. Our children could not be at home for a long time, and I could see that Azapo and UDF were fighting because there ... me that the robbery was an operation planned by PAC or its military wing APLA. As indicated earlier, it appeared that the Police had acquired prior warning of the robbery operation. In fact various other PAC members including Horatius Motswadi and others were also arrested. 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