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people's warExplanation In the old apartheid regime, when they called you a very good cop, you’re a cop who takes orders and execute them without asking questions; then you’re a good cop. // You obviously heard of your colleagues at Vlakplaas who were involved in killing people as well. // Yes, that came to my ... The cult of the individual, the cult of personality. I think those who have read the histories of the world would know about those events in various countries where powerful figures, where the desire, in fact their desire in even affect acquire reverence from in fact subjects, become so powerful, ... As an individual and perhaps being involved with quite a number of others it shows the recognitions of the efforts of those who fought against apartheid. And it does not only show how good and how well deserving their struggle was, but at the same time it shows appreciation of the people that were ... The politicians can say we didn”t give that order, because they didn”t give that order. It”s nowhere stated that we said so and so should be killed. We said so and so should be eliminated, but we meant that that person should be detained. And then never having any real knowledge, or real ... I will agree that maybe I summarized the matter wrong, but I’m of the opinion that the whole situation is so emotionally charged that different people will get different messages from what is happening. ‘Ladybrand Town Hall’ // When he arrives at the Town Hall, Lyster who’s to chair the proceedings, makes a quick count of the witnesses and the hearing gets underway. // Good day Mr. Mfazwe. // Good day. // Mister Ivan Lax will help you take an oath before we start with your story. // Do you ... The two men who killed with Makoma: Tobela Mlambisa and Bassie Mkhumbuzi are not in jail, they are members of the South African National Defence Force. We are building a new moral order in South Africa. How can we have brutal killers like these in our Defence Force and a cruel torturer like Jeffrey ... If Mr. Bizos is going to use statements made under duress, which half of them are rubbish and when people were drunk, and he is going to say yes, but you said that, there and you said that in your application and its contradictory. We don’t know to what degree they’re going to worry about the ... Samuel Jamile was a well known IFP politician in the eighties. Mrs. Khuswayo believes he’s responsible for her husband’s death. // The true story is that Jamile, myself Samuel Bhikizizwe Jamile, I have never killed anybody, I’ve never instructed anybody. I was an Inkatha man and these people ... Instructions I got from Johns were that myself and Andile will be my assistant in that unit as an assistant commander. He also led me to two gentlemen and also gave us instruction that we should go to New Castle, and fire arms are already New Castle, and when we arrive in New Castle we’ll attack ... We’ve had a great reluctance on the part of individuals to talk about what happened in the region because of this difficulty with the amnesty provision, that it may not necessarily apply, an amnesty granted here doesn’t apply say in Botswana. And that of course has been a major disincentive for ... Joe Slovo is a member of the ANC national executive. His wife, Ruth First was assassinated in 1982. // The problem we face in this country is that here is an obvious tension between reparation and reconciliation, between retribution and reconciliation. At a moral level the answer is absolutely ... What was it in our people or our history that made this ghastly practice possible and so popular? // There’s a whole process that leads finally to the brutality of the necklace as a method of murder. And that for me is actually what we should have recorded in the eighties and it never got ... We have waited for seven years since TZ’s death for official contact from the ANC. Nobody, nobody, despite what he did for the organisation, came to us to say ‘we are sorry’. Just to offer their sympathy. No one came. There is some contradiction. The military wing was with him, they supported ... This is the Vaal Triangle, home of Eskom, Sasol and many other big industries. Also home to millions of people who work at these industries and their families. They live in grim townships such as Sebokeng, Sharpeville, Bophelong and Boipatong. For some, mostly men from KwaZulu-Natal, this is only a ... Scant attendance at the hearings suggests that Radebe and Mavundla are not the only people still living in fear. Fiercely divided loyalties are the result as well as the cause of cycles of revenge killings. with the body count stacking up on both sides. On the night of September 4th 1992 a group of ... fairly late, after nine on the 19th of November 1989 I reported to Brigadier Van der Hofen, who was staying in the official police flats on the C R Swart square police premises, where I reported that the mission has been completed, that Mxenge was killed. ... ... they’ve restructured the events, he showed them the place where the three people were killed and I believe he has made a valuable contribution toward solving that murder. ... In a sense its rather ironic that in a time when Mr PW Botha doesn’t want to come to the TRC that some of the more right wing people are wanting to come to the TRC and I think we owe them that they should have a hearing, or an event where they can put their case. Also for the sake of ... Let me just quickly before we lose this thread go back to Professor Giliomee. Professor, you talked about maybe we should have had trials, there should have been a continuation of that. In other words, a criminal judicial process. In other words we should have instead of amnesty; we should have ... |
