CHAIRPERSON: Who is the next applicant?
MR SIBEKO: The next applicant is Mr Johannes Pheello Nyakama. His application is on page 180.
CHAIRPERSON: Will you please stand. Please give your full names for the record.
JOHANNES PHEELLO NYAKAMA: (sworn states)
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you. Mr Sibeko?
EXAMINATION BY MR SIBEKO: Thank you, Mr Chairman.
Mr Nyakama, you are applying for amnesty, is that correct?
MR NYAKAMA: That is correct.
MR SIBEKO: In your application form you indicate that you were either an office bearer, member or supporter of the ANC, what exactly were you at the time?
MR NYAKAMA: I was a secretary in our section, that is Lusaka-A. That is, I was a SANCO secretary. Our duties included listening to people's complaints and we also sat at the SANCO central level where we represented people's complaints.
MR SIBEKO: In your application form again on page 181, paragraph, question 9(a)4 you say you were involved in collecting money from the community for firearms, do you confirm that?
MR NYAKAMA: Yes, I confirm that.
MR SIBEKO: Were those firearms legal or illegal?
MR NYAKAMA: The firearms were not legal.
MR SIBEKO: Were you personally involved in buying those arms?
MR NYAKAMA: No, I was not involved.
MR SIBEKO: After those arms were purchased, were you personally involved in distributing them?
MR NYAKAMA: No, I was not involved.
MR SIBEKO: Will I be correct then in saying you are applying for amnesty for your role in collecting, in fact for facilitating the purchase of those illegal firearms?
MR NYAKAMA: That is correct.
MR SIBEKO: Were you ever involved in any of the activities of the Self Defence Units wherein shots were fired?
MR NYAKAMA: No.
MR SIBEKO: Thank you, Mr Chairman, no further questions.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR SIBEKO
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you. Cross-examination?
ADV STEENKAMP: Nothing, thank you, Mr Chairman.
NO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY ADV STEENKAMP
CHAIRPERSON: The panel?
ADV GCABASHE: Just one, the clarity on the ANC answer. You were a member of the ANC in 1992, which is what this application is dealing with?
MR NYAKAMA: I was a member of the ANC.
ADV GCABASHE: Thank you.
CHAIRPERSON: There's no re-examination?
MR SIBEKO: None, Mr Chairman.
NO RE-EXAMINATION BY MR SIBEKO
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you. Mr Nyakama, thank you for coming, you are excused.
WITNESS EXCUSED
