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Special Report
Transcripts for Section 5 of Episode 22

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34:03Jonathan Shapiro is one of South Africa’s most respected cartoonists ever. Under the name ‘Zapiro,’ his work can be seen every day in newspapers, such as the Sowetan and the Mail & Guardian. Shapiro has produced quite a number of cartoons on the Truth Commission process. // // Some of the cartoons that I do are actually not funny. I don’t primarily aim to be funny. If I can do something with humour that’s fantastic but if not, if I can still make a new connection for the viewer, use some kind of metaphor that will help them to see things in a different light, that’s also great. But there are things that are very funny. I mean there are things about the Truth Commission that can be funny so one can poke gentle fun at them. There are certainly things about the absurdity of the lies of the previous regime and the lies of some of their generals and foot soldiers. That stuff can be very funny as well. // Are some of your cartoons vicious? // Ja, I would say so. People used to ...moreFull Transcript
36:39I think cartooning is powerful in the sense that many people see the stuff every day. It’s very immediate and it does illicit reaction. When I say have I had reaction, sometimes that reaction comes through letters and other things where I don’t actually meet the people. Yes, it has a lot of power to get to people and to start debates and things. // Do you like some journalists believe you have to be neutral or objective? // Not at all. When I was living in America that was a tremendously prevalent idea, objective journalism. Many of the people on the left - because American mainstream media, it’s very much, it’s sort of centre right - had a big problem with that. Saying that you can seek balance perhaps, but you can never seek objectivity. The moment you make any kind of assessment of something you’re not objective anymore. I don’t really even seek balance. If I feel I want to go for a jugular, I go for the jugular, that’s the way I do it. // Is what you do closer to ...moreFull Transcript
 
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