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Transcripts for Section 2 of Episode 33
| Time | Summary | | | 11:28 | My good God I am standing on these rocks with my husband and my child; Mrs. Godolozi and Mrs. Galela and their children are here. Our Lord who looked after us when we were in the dark that the bones, the remains of our husbands and children got thrown here in plastic bags, our God, by the Boers. Forces that had immense power, like Niewoudt, our God, like Van Rensburg, our God. Forces that imposed tyranny … | Full Transcript | | 12:23 | They came not to mourn their deaths, but to remember and pay homage to their lives and their cause. | Full Transcript | | 12:30 | For more than ten years we’ve been waiting for this day and this is the most important day of our lives where my father and his comrades have been buried, should I say, and they died as heroes. We salute them. We don’t regret their deaths, because they died for the people of this country. We’ll take it as their contribution towards the liberation of our people. I don’t regret it. I know wherever he is he doesn’t regret it. Whoever did this to him I’d like him to know that, that we are not mourning him. | Full Transcript | | 13:23 | I said today it will be no more, because today is final. I know where my husband’s remains are. | Full Transcript | | 13:36 | I just think about my husband now; I started to think about him a lot now because I didn’t know that they put them here in this river. So I feel upset, so upset. I feel lonely and upset. | Full Transcript | | 13:54 | I’m happy to hear about my husband after some long time, many years I didn’t hear about him from Niewoudt and others. But I need more information. If anybody involved in this matter of my husband … // Can you forgive them? // Not today. | Full Transcript | | 14:37 | The past can be put to rest with the knowledge of where the remains are. But reshaping the future along the paths of forgiveness and justice is not that easy. | Full Transcript | | 14:49 | We don’t want them to say sorry; we are not interested in that. We don’t want them to say sorry, we just want them to tell us what happened and that’s basically all we need. // And that would be enough justice? // That would be enough justice because saying sorry, you look at Niewoudt walking straight up, not even showing the sorrow on his face. Do you really think that he is sorry for what he did? // But does he got … somewhere in his heart, do you really think he can … // No he doesn’t, that’s exactly the bottom line. That is why I say the only thing we need is the truth. We’ve got the right to know. And then it’s up to us to say ‘I forgive you, because you’ve told me the truth.’ That will only happen in time. | Full Transcript | | 15:37 | They must tell everything they did to our husbands. // It is more than ten years, lying, in the court, they even interdicted us. // You know, we love this country. We want peace in this country. That is very important to us, because our husbands were fighting for peace for everybody, black and white. // Freedom. // Now if they don’t give us the truth, what do we expect? He must tell everything he knows everything. We are here to say ‘alright, we forgive you.’ | Full Transcript | | 16:24 | Dorothy is the eldest daughter of the late Fort Calata, one of the four murdered activists known as the Cradock Four. Humbulelo is the late Matthew Goniwe’s nephew. They too do not regret their loss, but like the other families insist that the truth is one route to reconciliation. | Full Transcript | | 16:45 | They knew that they would die some time and as heroes working for the people they were certain that it would happen. They just didn’t know when but they knew that they would die someday. So we were always ready that it would happen. We’ve accepted the death, yes, because we knew that something would eventually happen. // What in your view would be justice around their deaths? // Justice? OK it’s very difficult. Well a lot of harm was done to Cradock. He wasn’t just my father, he was the father of Cradock; they were actually the fathers of Cradock. Justice to me would certainly not be justice to Cradock as a whole. But I would like the people who have killed them to come forward so that people could know them. An eye for an eye wouldn’t do anyone any good, but at least honesty would be one form of justice. Honesty. | Full Transcript | | 18:03 | Even the most hardened opponent of the Truth Commission process will have to agree, these people have the right to know the full truth and it seems if we might just get there by the end of the year. The flood gates have truly opened with the torrent of new applications for amnesty from former security policemen and significant breakthroughs with military units such as the Civil Cooperation Bureau and the Directorate Covert Collection. A disturbing element is that there are people at very senior positions in these organisations who are actively discouraging their former colleagues to ask for amnesty. | Full Transcript |
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