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Special Report
Transcripts for Section 2 of Episode 36

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01:52The clearest element about the Gugulethu Seven massacre is its murkiness. What we do know is that of the 22 police involved in the operation, some have taken responsibility for some of the deaths. But whether police shot and killed the young men has never been the issue. The question is whether the massacred men were part of an underground ANC cell and whether there was a calculated strategy to take them out. Last November we spoke to a man who claims that he was the MK cadre who got away.Full Transcript and References
02:30The helicopter was looking for me because I was the one who escaped from that scene, but they couldn’t even find me. // He does not want to be named or known until he has spoken to the Truth Commission. // Our unit started 1984. Our vision was to be trained and defend the people on the ground. And the commander of our unit was Ali from Mitchells Plain, a Coloured guy. He used to come and train us with an AK and hand grenades. So, that’s why we decided I mean to try to hit this big target of the officers of the SA Police.Full Transcript
03:32The police have testified that they got wind of the police bus attack from two informers who had infiltrated the cell. // When were you given a description of the askaris from Vlakplaas who were with this man? // As far as I can recall we weren’t given any description we were just told that there were two informers with the group and they would be moving with the group.Full Transcript and References
03:55A fortnight before the cell’s planned attack on the police bus two men joined their group. They said they were former MK cadres, that they would assist with the mission and supply them with arms. // We said OK, no problem, because they have their weapons, also our side we do have our weapons, but then they told us that they are also going to assist us with the ammunition. So they done that, they gave us hand grenades.Full Transcript
04:26We need to know whether police was simply to prevent the attack and what exactly were the instructions to the assembled police at Wingfield in the early hours of that fateful day. To arrest or to wipe out what they already knew was an underground ANC cell?Full Transcript
04:45We were informed that information was received that an attack was to be launched on a police bus which was transporting police staff between Belville and Gugulethu police stations at the intersection between NY1 and NY111 in Gugulethu between quarter past seven and twenty past seven that morning. We were told to prevent an attack and attempt to arrest the attackers. // That’s what they all say. They also say that the massacre was an act of self defence after a hand grenade was lobbed at the Ford Cortina Kleyn and others were travelling in. Full Transcript and References
05:19On the way was a Ford Cortina with three police guys inside. They just passed us, they drove away, it was around 100 meters and then they turned over there and came again approaching us. So the car was stopped in front of us, in the middle of the road. It was nothing that we can do. So, I decided to throw the grenade to those police.Full Transcript
05:51The next minute the hand grenade exploded approximately three meters away from me. In the explosion a whole lot of sand and dust was strewn all over me. A shooting pursued almost immediately thereafter.Full Transcript and References
06:16The story of pure self defence against a group of super armed men just does not hold. Eye witnesses have testified about some of the deceased being shot at point blank range. This is borne out by Doctor David Klatzow, an independent forensic expert who testified at the trial of Cape Times journalist, Tony Weaver. // Very unlikely, very unlikely that the ballistic patterns that I saw on the … and I reported on, would have been a general wholesale shootout. There were some of those wounds which were clearly the wounds inflicted at close range. Now if somebody is shooting at you, you don’t snuggle up to him in order to dispatch him. You shoot from a distance. So I have some difficulty with that version and that is the photograph of… the post-mortem photograph of the body with the peculiar marks across the small of the back. That in my view is an entrance wound, it has every characteristic of an entrance wound and that has every characteristic of the mark made by the muzzle flash of ...moreFull Transcript
09:12It is clear that the police are lying about the exact aim of their operation. Through the askaris they knew of the cell’s existence and did not try and arrest the group, before or later. The askaris also provided weapons to the young guerrillas. The police shooting spree on March the 3rd was excessive. The picture is of men fleeing, being shot down and then being finished off at point blank range. And then there is the secret message sent to arch assassin Eugene de Kock a day after the massacre. All these bear the hallmarks of a more sinister puppet master, the Vlakplaas death squads, designed to eliminate activists and cadres. Full Transcript
 
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