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Transcripts for Section 2 of Episode 37
| Time | Summary | | | 01:26 | He planned acts of terror from his home. He also used the house as a hiding place for terrorists. He was also involved in strikes and boycotts. Myself, Capt Hechter, Mamasela and Captain Crafford as well as a certain Bafana on a particular morning were driving in my official vehicle until we were some distance from Tsele’s home. We sent Mamasela and Bafana armed with AKs to investigate the house and to determine whether any terrorists were present there. While we were waiting for them the instructions were that if there were any people in the house they had to return and inform us of the state of affairs. While we were there we heard shots. Mamasela and Bafana returned and informed us that they had seen Tsele sitting in front of the television and that they had shot him. This was contrary to the instruction which I had given them. The instruction was not that they were supposed to shoot the person. | Full Transcript and References | | 02:49 | He was eliminated by let’s call it an oversight, on the part of Joe Mamasela. Perhaps he misunderstood the Brigadier, perhaps he thought it was easier to shoot him. We cannot try and make you understand how he saw it, but what we know is when the Brigadier instructed us and said go see what is happening there and come and report back, then further decisions would have been taken as to what to do. | Full Transcript | | 03:20 | Yes what worries me is that it appears from your evidence and Brigadier Cronje’s that you were more interested in using this dangerous man Tsele as bait to get terrorists into his house than in eliminating him. That is the tenor of the evidence you both have given. // That may have been so, but that evening it was so. That evening we had information that the terrorists were coming or that they were on their way so if we could have eliminated five or six terrorists together with Tsele it would have been better than eliminating only Tsele. | Full Transcript | | 03:55 | I want the truth from Mamasela, because he is the one that performed. They all say they had not instructed him, so he is the person who is to say what actually happened. I really want him to tell us the truth and that is the truth for us. Yes he must come and tell us, what they told us I didn’t believe much. I don’t know what they had planned. I didn’t believe much. But the person who performed is Mamasela, so he’s the one who knows exactly what he did and where he got instructions and, especially investigations. That is what I would have liked to know, how he investigated and whom did he contact, because I know my brother and I saw him dead. I’d like to know could he have been so cruel to have done so much to my brother, dismantled him. Ja, and only then can one decide whether you forgive these people, because you know the truth. That is what it is meant for, knowing the truth and then deciding to forgive them. But how can you forgive people when you don’t know the truth? | Full Transcript |
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