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Transcripts for Section 4 of Episode 39
|11:19||Let’s move to Cape Town for the last evidence by the five policemen whose amnesty applications have served before the Truth Commission’s Amnesty Committee the last few weeks. Together, they killed at least 65 people in the name of the apartheid state. We’ll tell you about 21 of these murders tonight. In July 1986 nine youths, the youngest 15 years old, were gunned down in KwaNdebele. They wanted to go into exile and become trained guerrillas Jacques Hechter told the Amnesty Committee, and the security police merely wanted to prevent them from returning to South Africa and committing acts of terror. Should one call it pre-emptive murder?||Full Transcript and References|
|12:05||Mamasela tells us when he goes with us then they are going to train us and take us over to exile and that never happened. Exile was in heaven. Some of the bodies of the KwaNdebele Nine lie unmarked and covered in grass in a small graveyard in Mamelodi. After the security police led by Capt Jacques Hechter had done their job the remains could not be identified. Mabel Malobola’s grandson Mabuza was one of the dead. They didn’t have eyes; well I thought the fire exploded their eyes out. They didn’t have this [scalp] of the head, it is just this [forehead] part, this part wasn’t there and they haven’t got hands, they haven’t got legs, they were just bones.||Full Transcript|
|13:03||This incident happened during 1986, the precise date I cannot remember. At that stage Mamasela used the MK that is Umkhonto we Sizwe name of Mike to move around Mamelodi. He came to me one day and told me he was approached by some of the more militant youths who asked if he could not possibly organise for them to leave the country for training.||Full Transcript|
|13:55||According to Hechter the youths had already gone to KwaNdebele to escape harassment by the security police in Mamelodi. Mamasela knew where to find them. Mamasela took us to the address. Mamasela, Gouws and Oosthuizen then entered the house and the next moment I heard gunfire. It was organized, it was on my orders. I told them to eliminate them. They then eliminated them, shot them. They came out, got in the car. I told Gouws to take the can of fuel and to pour it over all the deceased and to set it alight. Were they already dead at this stage? Three AK47’s were emptied on them. This means about 90 rounds in a small room, so there was no doubt that they were already dead. Did these people die because they were involved in acts of boycotts, intimidation and so on or did they die because they expressed their wish or desire to undergo training? Why did they die? In the first place they were activists, they were activists busy with all these terrible deeds and furthermore they requested ...more||Full Transcript|
|15:35||The pre-emptive strike has been argued as a political motive before. Last year we heard the story of the Nietverdiend Ten. Again youths from Mamelodi allegedly asked for guerrilla training and again they died a gruesome death. Whether the Committee grants these men amnesty or not there will, according to Mabel Malobola be another reckoning. I can say I can’t forgive anybody because really I am not God.||Full Transcript and References||