Special Report Transcript Episode 71, Section 2, Time 02:58

But when the interrogation started, Benzien and Nortje were present. They were the only other people in the room with me and when they started interrogating me the intimidation had already taken effect. This intimidation of me had already started when I was in this room and the security policeman came in and out to have a good look at me. When they were alone with me they took off all my clothes and there was a mesh wire in front of the window and they tied me up against this mesh wire and that meant that I could barely stand. And they started questioning me regarding several aspects. That is where I met Benzien for the first time.

Notes: TRC testimony: Niclo Pedro (Former MK cadre)