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Special Report
Transcripts for Section 3 of Episode 79

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20:11From the former ‘groot krokodil’ to the former ‘mother of the nation.’ Last year South Africa was riveted by the evidence that emerged in the Truth Commission’s hearings into the activities of Winnie Mandela’s Mandela United Football Club in Soweto during the 1980s. This week, a second round of hearings relating to Winnie Madikizela-Mandela took place. This time the Commission wanted to establish what the relationship was between the Soweto security police and Madikizela-Mandela. But let’s take the story from the beginning.Full Transcript and References
20:41For nine days last year, one witness after another appeared before the Truth Commission in Mayfair and pointed an accusing finger in Winnie Madikizela-Mandela’s direction. The allegations ranged from personal beatings by Mandela to tales of abduction and eight brutal murders. One of South Africa’s most respected anti-apartheid activists, referred to the general reign of terror by Mandela United Football Club in Soweto during the 1980s.Full Transcript
21:11The football club often dispensed their frightening brand of justice which included vicious assaults, in cases ranging from domestic disputes to those who crossed their paths and who were branded as informers. It was widely spoken about in the community that Mrs. Mandela often directed these operations.Full Transcript and References
21:30Some of the most damaging testimony against Madikizela-Mandela however came from the distraught families of the two boys who disappeared during the eighties. Both families hold Winnie Mandela responsible.Full Transcript
21:44I’ve already mentioned that she was present and she went away with him. What else must I say?Full Transcript and References
21:56Mandela however remained unruffled throughout the two weeks of unrelenting testimony against her. She dismissed all the allegations by every single witness and finally suggested that the hearings were part of a political plot against her.Full Transcript
22:11The unhealthy coincidence in my mind that this must happen a few days before the National Conference, to me suggest it is part and parcel of that agenda. A whole lot of other things which are not necessarily connected to this Truth Commission.Full Transcript
22:42Finally however she responded to an emotional appeal from Archbishop Desmond Tutu and gave a form of apology.Full Transcript
22:50… And you don’t know how your greatness would be enhanced if you were to say sorry, things went wrong. // I am saying it is true, things went horribly wrong.Full Transcript and References
23:10Little more than a week after the hearings Madikizela-Mandela’s bid to become the ANC deputy president at the organisation’s National Conference failed.Full Transcript
23:20After months of manoeuvring and counter manoeuvring beleaguered ANC Women’s League President Winnie Madikizela-Mandela has finally been forced to give up on her bid for the ANC’s deputy presidency. This followed a unanimous decision by the Party’s 50th conference to raise the percentage of support required for nominations from the floor from 10 to 25 percent. Ivor Powell reports. // The drama unfolds at the ANC’s 50th National Conference as this ordinary delegate moves across the stage to nominate her candidate for the deputy presidency. // ‘Thank you. For the deputy presidency, I’d like to nominate … Winnie Madikizela-Mandela.’ // But when the chips are down only a 125 hands are raised in support of the nomination. This leaves Madikizela-Mandela with only 15 percent of the votes needed earn the right to contest the deputy presidency against the leadership’s favourite candidate, KwaZulu-Natal leader Jacob Zuma. Full Transcript
24:22This year, her relationship with the Truth Commission again made headlines when she met with the controversial American leader of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan.Full Transcript
24:30The oppressed in the scheme of reconciliation must not bear the burden of such horror, I would say, as the nine days that Mrs. Mandela went through and Mr. Botha can thumb his nose at such Truth and Reconciliation.Full Transcript
24:57Last year’s marathon hearing into the Mandela Football Club brought some relief to victims like the Sono family and probably also contributed to the demise of Madikizela-Mandela’s immediate political ambitions. But the hearing did not answer many questions; instead it raised a whole lot of new ones like what exactly was the relationship between Winnie and the Soweto security police? It was with this in mind that the Truth Commission held a second round of hearings this week and subpoenaed policemen from the former Soweto security branch. Full Transcript
25:29Winnie Madikizela-Mandela did not attend this week’s hearing, but her presence dominated the proceedings and the testimony of the former Soweto Security policemen.Full Transcript
25:44What is interesting for us was to find out with all these allegations going on around the activities of the Mandela United Football Club, what did the security branch know about all this, because we are aware that there was surveillance by them and they’ve admitted that they had a telephone tap for example on Mrs. Madikizela-Mandela’s house. We know for a fact now on his own admission that Mr. Jerry Richardson was an informer, so we needed to determine what the security branch knew about the matters and what they did about all the other allegations that we’ve heard about. Full Transcript
26:20The men who were responsible for surveilling Madikizela-Mandela, for searching her house, tapping her phone, harassing and arresting her, spoke with awe of the woman who once ruled Soweto.Full Transcript
26:32She was untouchable. // Mrs. Mandela was not the kind of person whom you visited upon a brainwave and upset her whole household and see if I could arrest her, that would have meant the end of my career at that stage. // I always reached the conclusion that the people were afraid of her. // She is a very strong person, let us make no mistake, and perhaps in a lighter vein I could say this that one could throw her from a height of 30 000 feet, from an airplane and nothing would happen to her.Full Transcript
27:06Beyond these ironic compliments from the policemen they remained evasive in answering almost all the other questions put to them.Full Transcript
27:15Can you give us a reason why your policemen did not act regarding the abduction of either the four youths from the manse or of the two youths Lolo Sono and Sibuniso Tshabalala timeously? Can you give us a reason? // In that case it is negligence on the side of the public who knew but wouldn’t inform the police and who on purpose withheld the information.Full Transcript and References
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