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Transcripts for Section 2 of Episode 82

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09:12Like so many soldiers and policemen who served the former government Paul van Vuuren and Wouter Mentz were the foot soldiers of apartheid. Their defence and justification, like all perpetrators, is that they simply obeyed orders. They were in the townships and they had to counter the rising tide of black resistance. They were just soldiers, used and abused by the politicians to keep the white man in power and uphold apartheid.Full Transcript
09:42I think apartheid was built upon all that is obscene and disgusting in us as human beings. I think that we know that in our individual journey there is always a battle that goes on between good and evil.Full Transcript
09:58Apartheid was downright absence of God, there was no God in apartheid, there was no good in apartheid.Full Transcript
10:06Apartheid was an option or a choice for death, carried out in the name of the gospel of life and that is why it was an issue of faith, for people of faith, to say no to apartheid. It was a spiritual question in its most fundamental form.Full Transcript
10:29Apartheid to my mind was evil and the more we became to know about it the more we should realize that it was unacceptable, it was inhuman, it was in every respect a degradation of one’s own humanity and of the image of God, of the living God. Those of us who were Christians believe that.Full Transcript
11:00One needn’t even be a Calvinist, if you live in a country like South Africa there is no way in which you cannot be cognizant of the frailty and the evil of people all around you and how you become part of that.Full Transcript
11:18I was a member of the Afrikaner Broederbond from 1940 until 1963 and I’ve got to be in all fairness and honesty, I’ve got to say I regarded it as a tremendous privilege, I regarded it as, yes let me say ‘a calling of God,’ a mission to promote the cause of the Afrikaner people.Full Transcript
11:48There is no privileged position of innocence. I mean, in an apartheid South Africa no one could be innocent.Full Transcript
11:58I believe that hundreds and thousands of Afrikaners who supported the system never saw it to be evil; they saw it to be a good, well intentioned system.Full Transcript
12:16The evil that people may not have known about is the actual killings and torture, the criminal operations; I mean, I think anybody who’s lived through South Africa in that time must have had some word or rumour of that but you could probably, genuinely have lived through the period and not been confronted by direct evidence.Full Transcript
12:44As you were able to get in contact with the victims, especially in the black community, then you began to realize and look at it from their perspective, then you began to realize, yes this system was evil.Full Transcript
13:03But there’s no way in which you could have lived through the last 40 years of apartheid and not know of the pass laws and not know of forced removals and not know of race classification and not know of group areas and also not know of what that did to communities and to individuals’ lives.Full Transcript
13:27Apartheid is often compared with Nazism, both were branded as crimes against humanity, evil, wicked and inhuman, two of the most contemptible systems ever devised by man.Full Transcript
13:46There were the parallel of the ‘purity of race,’ which we had also, the white race to be pure.Full Transcript
13:54The Nazis in Germany represented the majority and when they acted against the Jews then they acted against a small minority.Full Transcript
14:09There was the parallel of the divine mandate that was given to you, that you believed you had, in order to implement actions and programmes and projects which could maim, gas, kill people without any compulsion of conscience. We had the same one.Full Transcript
14:38The Afrikaners and whites in South Africa has all along been a minority, so the social and the power relations are fundamentally different. That makes at one level the crime of apartheid of white minority rule more extreme.Full Transcript
15:05There was never the intention to exterminate, to kill the black community.Full Transcript
15:11Even if they didn’t call it the final solution, one has to look at the facts. How many black people were killed in the process of either struggling against apartheid and so on? How many black people died as a result of hunger? How many were disadvantaged in so many ways and so deprived of all sorts of opportunities?Full Transcript
14:36Adolf Hitler was the architect of national socialism, while Hendrik Verwoerd and his successors devised a system they called separate development.Full Transcript
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