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Special Report
Transcripts for Section 3 of Episode 85

36:30Let’s get on with the programme. Tonight’s episode in our series of profiles on the men and women behind the Truth Commission process is Dr Khoza Mgojo.Full Transcript
36:40Reverend doctor Elliot Mbuyisa Khoza Mgojo was born at Mzimkulu on a farm in the Eastern Cape. He later became a school teacher in Natal which led him to become a preacher. That’s when he decided to leave education and join the world of ministry.Full Transcript
36:58So that when I was born at Mzimkulu on a farm, I grew up there, I schooled there but my father was interested that we must not lose touch with Natal. So, most of my father’s children, including me, did most of their schooling in Natal so that we could not lose touch with our roots. That is why even when I became a teacher, I used to be a Zulu teacher, because we were in contact with our roots. When I grew up my grandmother used to call me ‘Mfundisi’ [Preacher]. There are a few people in our village who just called me Mfundisi. I don’t know why because of course – I was quite a good kid but I didn’t see the signs of Mfundisi – of course I used to go to the church, because with us it was compulsory that if you come from a Christian background you must go to church.Full Transcript
38:06Reverend Mgojo heard his destiny preaching the word of God soon after he started teaching.Full Transcript
38:20I just when I was as a teacher, even before I joined the YMG, it was in a rondavel house somewhere outside... there was no location, simply a rondavel house. And they were calling the people, those who wanted to join the YMG. I found myself joining; I don’t know how it happened. So, that was the start of the excitement. Then I joined the classes for local preachers. I studied for the local preacher and I became a full local preacher. That’s when I found that there was an urge for me to become a minister. So, I candidate for the ministry 1958, wrote the exams. You write exams in the Methodist church. I was a full local preacher by then. And I passed the exams. And because I was very much involved in the life of the young people in the Durban circuit, the superintendent minister was Reverend Skakana then and the two circuitry stewards Mr. Mdolo and Mr. Masebo, they appealed to the conference that they would like me, my first appointment, to be in Durban so that I could continue with ...moreFull Transcript
40:44The following year Reverend Mgojo got ordained as a minister and helped the [inaudible] institution as a pseudo chaplain. In 1964 he left for Chicago to further his studies and when he came back in 1966 he served the Methodist church in different areas.Full Transcript
41:01I had two scholarships. I had a scholarship from Harvard and from Oxford, but I couldn’t go to Oxford because it was only providing for me, not for my family and Harvard was providing for me and my family. And having experience that life when I went to Chicago and I left my family behind I said no way. I would never go overseas without my family. So I took up the scholarship of Harvard; I was there from September 1970 and I came back at the end of ’75. Well, I have got just two children. Of course I lost two babies in the Transkei when I was minister, we used the minister in very rural areas where you didn’t have doctors, where your child would just be caught by flu and then it was very hard to get the doctors around. So, I don’t want to remind myself about that experience. But I’ve got two children. I’ve got my son, Mkholisi; he studied as a computer analyst and my daughter, the one you saw here. After completing her BA LB … at Natal University in Pietermaritzburg ...moreFull Transcript
43:05When Reverend Mgojo was called to join the Truth Commission he was initially reluctant, because of his commitments with the Methodist church until a few influential friends convinced him that working on the Truth Commission would be a worthwhile national commitment.Full Transcript
43:21I made the arrangement that when I join the Truth Commission … I must be in the pulpit on Sunday, every Sunday. And it gives me strength. That is my basis of the strength. I ... the TRC things, I get tired, but I know that there is a spring from which I’m going to draw when it becomes Sunday, when I meet the church people with their prayers and song and worship. You see these are revelations within the TRC ... for these stories to be revealed. That is why, though we don’t like amnesty, most of us, we become sympathetic with it because we see that if there were no amnesty, we would have not heard these stories, we would not have had the exhumations of the tombs. I remember one mother from Port Shepstone who had her son exhumed, she says that you know when they came back from exile, I was waiting that my son is coming back and all this time I’ve been waiting. When I saw the bus, people getting down at the bus stop, I used to look and say oh my son will be coming. When I heard a ...moreFull Transcript
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