amntrans AMNESTY HEARING 1998-07-31 PRETORIA 10 WYBRAND ANDREAS LODEWICKUS DU TOIT AM 5184/97 https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=52748&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/1998/98072031_pre_cosatu10.htm MR BOOYENS Thank you Chairperson, I call Mr Waal du Toit. You will find his application on page 1 of Volume 2. WYBRAND ANDREAS LODEWICKUS DU TOIT (sworn states) EXAMINATION BY MR BOOYENS Thank you Chair. Mr du Toit, you are applying for amnesty in connection with the explosion at Khotso House? MR DU TOIT Yes that is correct. MR BOOYENS And just to get back to what you called it here, you describe your involvement on page 6 as that of being an accessory after the fact to malicious injury to property and you are asking for amnesty for any other offences or delicts which are directly connected to your involvement in this regard? MR DU TOIT Yes. MR BOOYENS And then if you will go to page 1, paragraph 7(a) and (b) would it be correct to say that you are the supporter of the National Party? MR DU TOIT Yes. MR BOOYENS Page 2, do you confirm the correctness of that page? MR DU TOIT Yes. MR BOOYENS Page 3? MR DU TOIT That is correct. MR BOOYENS As far as page 6 at the top, paragraph 9(a)? MR DU TOIT Yes that is correct. MR BOOYENS Can you recall - you've heard the evidence of Mr Kok who worked under your command that there was an instruction to assist Colonel de Kock? MR DU TOIT Yes. MR BOOYENS Do you accept that that's how it happened? MR DU TOIT Yes. MR BOOYENS Can you recall the request of Mr Kok? MR DU TOIT No I can't specifically recall it. MR BOOYENS But you will accept that Mr - by the way Mr de Kock also can't remember it, he said that he would have phoned you and it would have been a normal routine request and perhaps he might have told you what it was about but you can't recall that? MR DU TOIT No. MR BOOYENS But you accept that you gave Mr Kok an order? MR DU TOIT Yes. MR BOOYENS Was this a routine type of request? MR DU TOIT Yes, it was a routine request. MR BOOYENS And you first heard that he was involved in the blowing up of Khotso House when he reported back to you at a later stage? MR DU TOIT Yes, he reported back to me on the next day. MR BOOYENS Were you also aware of the allegations without commenting on the correctness thereof, allegations regarding Khotso House and the SACC, in other words allegations that they were giving support to liberation movements etc? MR DU TOIT Yes I was aware of that. MR BOOYENS And you as a technical man had no way in which to verify that information? MR DU TOIT No. MR BOOYENS You just accepted that these allegations or information was correct? MR DU TOIT Yes. MR BOOYENS As far as your personal political convictions were concerned at that stage after you heard this you reconciled yourself with the fact that this was done in the struggle against the liberation movements? MR DU TOIT Yes, I associated myself with it. MR BOOYENS You also heard the evidence given here by Minister Vlok the former Commissioner of Police and the other person who was in charge of this operation as far as the political motivation of this operation was concerned, do you associate yourself with that? MR DU TOIT Yes. MR BOOYENS Do you confirm the total content of your application as it has been submitted to the Committee? MR DU TOIT Yes. MR BOOYENS And you request amnesty as it is set out in the documents? MR DU TOIT Yes. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR BOOYENS CHAIRPERSON Thank you. WITNESS EXCUSED