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	<type>AMNESTY HEARINGS</type>
	<startdate>1998-07-30</startdate>
	<location>PRETORIA</location>
	<day>9</day>
	<names>JOHANNES CAREL WILHELM KASPARUS LOUW</names>
	<case>AM 4150/96</case>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Mr Chairman, the next witness, and my last hopefully for today, is Johannes Carel Wilhelm Kasparus Louw.   He is present and available, Mr Chairman.   His application you will find in volume 2 at page 164 to 170.</text>
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			<speaker>JOHANNES CAREL WILHELM KASPARUS LOUW</speaker>
			<text>(sworn states)</text>
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		<line number="3">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Mr Louw, you are an applicant before this Committee for any unlawful deed or omission committed by you with regard to an action which was executed, which included a bomb threat at the Highgate Shopping Centre in Roodepoort on the 29th of July 1988 with regard to the screening of a film by the name of Cry Freedom, is that correct?</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Yes, that&#039;s correct.</text>
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			<speaker>MR DE JAGER</speaker>
			<text>Mr Visser, was he involved in the same incident as the former witness, as well as General Le Roux?</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Yes, that&#039;s correct, these three witnesses are involved only in this one incident.</text>
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			<speaker>MR DE JAGER</speaker>
			<text>If there&#039;s anything that he wishes to add to the evidence, or if he differs with any evidence, he is free to point that out.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Indeed.   I would just like for Mr Louw to confirm his application, the truth and correctness thereof, as it has been filed and allow for it to be incorporated in the application.   Mr Chairman, in fact this witness had the least to do with this, he was present when the order was received.   He assisted Heyneke in manufacturing or obtaining this simulated device, and he placed it in the toilet, and then he went away and had nothing further to do with it.   Is that correct?</text>
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		<line number="9">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>That&#039;s entirely correct.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>And I think, Mr Chairman, with respect, there&#039;s nothing I could add to that.</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>You&#039;ve listened to the previous evidence?</text>
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		<line number="12">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Yes, I did.</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Do you agree with it all?</text>
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		<line number="14">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Completely.</text>
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		<line number="15">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Mr Chair.</text>
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		<line number="16">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>ADV MPSHE</speaker>
			<text>No questions once more, Mr Chairman, thank you.</text>
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		<line number="18">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>NO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY ADV MPSHE</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Could I just ask, Mr Visser, is this 7(a) is</text>
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		<line number="20">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>there an amendment there in order or not, or have we done it?</text>
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		<line number="21">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Thank you very very much for reminding me, I have forgotten about that.   Mr Chairman, in this case, the paragraph 7(a) and (b) are also not in order, and I would respectfully request you to make the same amendments in that regard.   Thank you.   Thank you, Mr Chairman.</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Right, you&#039;re excused.</text>
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		<line number="23">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Thank you very much.</text>
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		<line number="24">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>WITNESS EXCUSED</text>
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		<line number="25">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>We&#039;ll now adjourn until two o&#039;clock provided all goes well.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>COMMITTEE ADJOURNS</text>
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