amntrans AMNESTY HEARING 1998-09-07 BENONI 1 MOLWEDI MOKOENA WIMPY BAR BOMBING AND OTHERS https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=52834&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/1998/98090708_ben_benoni1.htm MR KOOPEDI Chairperson, I will ask the question I asked before this witness ...[intervention] CHAIRPERSON ...[inaudible] MR KOOPEDI There is one last witness. CHAIRPERSON ...[inaudible] MR KOOPEDI The idea is not to call any other witness. CHAIRPERSON Mr Steenkamp, how many witnesses do you propose to call? ADV STEENKAMP Mr Chairman, it depends on the situation. At this stage I have two witnesses Mr Chairman. CHAIRPERSON What does it depend on? ADV STEENKAMP Well it doesn't depend on anything Mr Chairman, we'll definitely call them. The problem is, we didn't prepare any sworn statements but we can call them. There's a possibility of a third witness tomorrow morning. CHAIRPERSON A third witness? ADV STEENKAMP Yes, Sir, but the definitely the two witnesses are available, they can testify immediately. CHAIRPERSON The evidence that your witnesses are intending to give, is ...[intervention] ADV STEENKAMP Well the first two witnesses, yes, Mr Chairman. The third witness will probably deal with the facts of the incident itself, at the day of the incident. The Security Branch police officer will probably come before. The ...[indistinct] will make a sworn statement if necessary. We're waiting for him but there is a request from the victims to testify, two victims. CHAIRPERSON So what we're talking about is actually a maximum of three witnesses and one applicant tomorrow? Perhaps we can dispose of your last applicant now. MR KOOPEDI As it pleases the Committee. Chairperson, the next and last applicant is Mr Molwedi Mokoena. He is before you now. CHAIRPERSON Mr Mokoena, what language would you prefer to use? MR KOOPEDI I will answer for him whilst he is still ...[indistinct]. He also, like we indicated earlier, will use English. MOLWEDI MOKOENA (sworn states) CHAIRPERSON Mr Koopedi, where is Mr Mokoena's ...[intervention] ADV STEENKAMP Page 8 until 20, Mr Chairman. CHAIRPERSON I see his personal particulars are already set out in his application so you can skip those and get to the nitty gritty. EXAMINATION BY MR KOOPEDI As it pleases the Committee. Is it true that you are one of the applicants in this matter and further that you are a member of the Johannes Nkosi Unit which was based in the East Rand? MR MOKOENA Yes, I was. MR KOOPEDI Now would you, very briefly so, inform the members of this Committee when you joined the ANC and in particular what training you had? MR MOKOENA "I joined the African National Congress and its armed wing Umkhonto weSizwe in 1986 internally(?). I became a member of the regional command, Johannes Nkosi Unit, between 1987 and 1990. I received military and combat training in the former Soviet Union, Botswana, Zambia and Zimbabwe" MR KOOPEDI Now the offences for which you are here before this Committee, would you, for the sake of the record, state the offences for which you are applying for amnesty? MR MOKOENA I firstly say I engaged in the following in my personal capacity 1) The bombing and electrical sub-station near Katlehong Station with fellow applicant, Alfas Ndlovu. 2) Bombing of the sewerage tanks in the Sunwatt Park with fellow applicant, Ernest Sigasa. And as part of the overall command, the Johannes Nkosi, I'm applying for the following: 1) Bombing of the "Kitskonstabels" Barracks in Mnisi Section. 2) The bombing of - the ambush of the "Kitskonstabels" and SAP in Motsamai Section next to Lindela Hostel. 3) The bombing of Wimpy Bar. 4) And the bombing of the bus terminus in Germiston. MR KOOPEDI Now when all these offences were committed, or in fact prior to that, were you involved in any way in the planning thereof? MR MOKOENA Yes, I was. MR KOOPEDI Now you have explained or mentioned the offences for which you are applying for amnesty, would you briefly tell the Members of this Honourable Committee what you did on that day, how you went about executing those acts? MR MOKOENA ...[inaudible] and on the electrical sub-section, and we placed the mini limpet mine on the railway line, the intersection of the railway lines. And the next thing we only got reports from the newspaper. MR KOOPEDI With regards to the main sewerage tank in Sunwatt Park? MR MOKOENA With regard to the main sewerage tank in Sunwatt Park, we moved from our base again together with fellow applicant, Mr Ernest Sigasa. We used one of our vehicles, which is somewhere identified as part of our support service to the place in Sunwatt Park. It was in the evening between 8 and 9. We went for those sewerage tanks which were a bit further away from the residential place and we placed our mines, and it happened like in the very first case, that we had to get the report from the newspapers of the explosion. MR KOOPEDI That is all for now Mr Chairperson, from me. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR KOOPEDI CHAIRPERSON Can you just run by the incidents that you apply for? MR MOKOENA I think are two-phased, the specific ones that I applied, wherein I was physically involved and which is the bombing of the railway line and electrical sub-station near Katlehong, and the bombing of the sewerage tanks in Sunwatt Park. And the rest are as my part as component member of the Johannes Nkosi Unit. CHAIRPERSON Which events are you talking about in respect of that now? MR MOKOENA It's - say for instance, the bombing of the "Kitskonstabels", which my fellow applicants ...[intervention] CHAIRPERSON What did you do in respect of that? MR MOKOENA The planning. Being part of the command unit, I was part of the planning. CHAIRPERSON Which are those now where you were part of the planning? MR MOKOENA The bombing of the "Kitskonstabels" in Mnisi, the ambush of the "Kitskonstabels" and SAP in Motsamai Section. CHAIRPERSON Yes? MR MOKOENA The bombing of Benoni Wimpy Bar and the bombing of the bus terminus in Germiston. CHAIRPERSON Your only involvement was the planning? Yes, is that all Mr Koopedi? MR KOOPEDI Yes, that is all for now. ADV STEENKAMP I've got no questions, thank you Mr Chairman. NO QUESTIONS BY ADV STEENKAMP MS KHAMPEPE I have no questions Mr Chairman. ADV MOTATA I've got no questions Chairperson. MR KOOPEDI Mr Chairman, that concludes the evidence from and for all four applicants. CHAIRPERSON We will adjourn then till tomorrow morning at 09H30. MR KOOPEDI As it pleases. ADV STEENKAMP Thank you Mr Chairman. Mr Chairman, may I just take the opportunity to apologise on behalf of the victims for the incident which happened. I'm sure we'll take care of it in the future, I do apologise. WITNESS EXCUSED COMMITTEE ADJOURNS