amntrans AMNESTY HEARING 1998-11-17 2 SOLOMON SERA, MOKETE BENJAMIN MAKAU & TSELANE JACOBINA MOSEBI AM 1313/96 MURDER OF TWO POLICEMEN - https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=52978&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/1998/98111618 _wlk_981117wel.htm MR MHLABA Thank you, Chair. May I now call Solomon Sera? SOLOMON SERA (sworn states) EXAMINATION BY MR MHLABA Mr Sera, you were on the 5th of June 1993 in the company of Isaac Mohomane were two police officers were shot dead, is that correct? MR SERA That is correct. MR MHLABA And you are approaching this Committee today to apply for an amnesty in respect of the very offences, is that correct? MR SERA That is correct. MR MHLABA You were born on the 7th of March 1969 at Vereeniging, is that correct? MR SERA That is correct. MR MHLABA The basis on which you're applying for amnesty is that the offences which you have committed and subsequently convicted of, were committed by you with a political objective, is that correct? MR SERA That is correct. MR MHLABA Can you explain to the Committee if during the period June 1993, in particular on the 5th of June '93, whether you belonged to a political organisation. MR SERA In 1993 I was a member of the ANC and again I was a member of the SDU. MR MHLABA When did you join the SDU and how were you recruited therein, if you were ever recruited? MR SERA I joined the SDU in 1991. I was recruited by Mosia and Isaac Mohomane who was my commander. MR MHLABA Did you know Mosia before this specific date, before you joined the SDUs? MR SERA I knew Mosia in 1992 when we were engaged in SDU training. MR MHLABA When he recruited you were you aware that he was a member of the SDU or a member of the African National Congress? Did you have any doubts or didn't you? MR SERA Yes, I had that information that he was a member of the ANC and again a member of the SDU. MR MHLABA And can you tell the Committee who was your immediate commander in the SDUs? MR SERA My commander in the SDU was Isaac Mohomane. MR MHLABA And you used to take instructions from him, is that correct? MR SERA Yes, I used to take instructions from him as my commander. MR MHLABA And you were satisfied that all the instructions where you were from to time taking from him were instructions from the African National Congress or the senior commanders thereof? MR SERA Yes, I was satisfied. MR MHLABA Can you explain to the Committee how the incident where the two police officers, Makau and Mosebi were killed and the manner in which the killing was planned and subsequently executed? MR SERA In 1993 we met as co-accused together with my comrade. We met at Mosia's place where I met my three comrades where we used to engage in our training. I was the fourth one. I left with Isaac Mohomane who is my commander, to try to identify targets and where we can find them. We parked our car at the shopping centre. We were able to identify a car which was used by the police. We returned to report to other comrades that we were able to identify a target and the place. At the time when I was together with comrade Mohomane he was having a 357 revolver. We returned to other comrades at Phillip Mosia's house. We sat down, we discussed, all of us, as to whether what method should we use to attack that target. Comrade Jack Mofokeng who is the assistant commander to Isaac Mohomane had a 15 shooter which was given to him by Isaac Mohomane. We left with a car and parked the car where the target was, and Phillip Mosia went inside at that shopping centre or where those policemen were. He was able to identify those people as members of the police. Then he returned. We whiled away time outside. Then he went again after some time, then he said he was able to see that they were just about to leave. He told us that I should take the car and put it to a position where after the operation they would find me at that particular spot. He said that after the operation he would find me at that particular spot where he instructed me to park the car. After the operation I picked my comrade, then I left comrade Mohomane at his place, then I left Phillip Mosia at his place. I was together with comrade Jack Mofokeng where I left him at his place. Then he gave me the gun which he used so that I should be able to keep it. MR MHLABA With regard to the identification of targets as you've already mentioned, did your commander tell you that you were looking for specific police officers or you were just identifying any police officer? MR SERA We were identifying our target generally as policemen, not particular policemen. MR MHLABA The two police officers who died as a result of this operation, were they known to you? MR SERA Yes, I knew them. MR MHLABA Were they ever mentioned by your commander who is your co-applicant, that these very officers should be attacked? Were they ever mentioned by names to you in other words? MR SERA No, there was no identify of particular policemen who were to be identified as targets. He instructed us generally that whoever is a member of the police force should be attacked. MR MHLABA So in other words you're telling this Committee that even if the police officers who you found at the scene were not these two deceased, they would have been attacked as well, is that correct? MR SERA Yes, I believe so because on that particular day it was a general target that we should attack policemen. There was no specification about particular identification of who should be attacked. MR MHLABA Other than getting instructions from Mosia, was there any other SDU leader or ANC leader who gave you orders directly, not through Mohomane? MR SERA No, there was no leader who used to give us instructions. All instructions we received through Isaac Mohomane. MR MHLABA So do you confirm that you were very satisfied that this operation had a blessing of the responsible people in the ANC and the SDUs? MR SERA Yes, I confirm because I had faith in him as my commander. MR MHLABA So is it your case that in killing the two deceased you were furthering the objectives of your political movement? MR SERA That is correct. MR MHLABA Did you in any way benefit financially or materially from the death of the two deceased? MR SERA No, I did not receive any - by killing these people we were able to reach our objective which we wanted to achieve. MR MHLABA Do you have any other thing to add in support of your application for amnesty? MR SERA Yes, I wanted to add something to my application, Sir. MR MHLABA You may proceed. MR SERA What I wanted to add to my evidence is that in my application for amnesty which I did not mention is that I'm here before the Committee of the Truth and Reconciliation and I want to thank this Committee for giving me this opportunity to appear before it. In the past we regarded the police as our enemy because they were used by the previous government. I'd be very happy if members of the family of the victims would understand the situation of the past, that it was because of that situation which has forced us that we kill their next-of-kin. That is why I say I'm requesting for forgiveness. MR MHLABA In your trial for the very incident, were you legally represented? MR SERA Yes, that is correct. MR MHLABA Were you represented by a legal representative of your choice? MR SERA No, certain people who were advocates came to prison who informed us that they are going to represent us in Court. MR MHLABA There has been mention of testimony by Kele, were you given an opportunity to address or to talk to your legal representatives about the testimony which was tendered by him? MR SERA No, I was never given an opportunity to challenge his evidence. What I did I told my legal representation to challenge that evidence because his evidence it was not true. He took an oath but he did not tell the Court the truth. MR MHLABA So in short you are telling this Committee that this witness lied under oath? MR SERA Yes, he lied whilst he was under oath. It happened that before our trial began he came together with Captain van Staaden to the jail where I was. They brought some money, they wanted to buy me out so that I should be a State witness against my co-accused. I rejected their offer, and then when he received in Court, Captain van Staaden agreed that he was in prison with me but he disputed that he came with money to buy me out so that I should be a State witness. But the books showed that Captain van Staaden came in prison together with a certain person. MR MHLABA Thank you, Chair, that concludes the evidence-in-chief. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MHLABA CHAIRPERSON Thank you, Mr Mhlaba. Do you have any questions, Mr Sesele? CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR SESELE Thank you, Mr Chairman. Mr Sera, you say you were recruited by Mr Mohomane into the SDU, did you know at that time that there was a criminal case pending against him? MR SERA No, Chairperson, I didn't know that. I only learnt of that while I was in jail. MR SESELE Was that before the trial against you, when you learnt of the case against Mr Mohomane? MR SERA The case against Mr Mohomane, I heard about it while we were already on trial with this case. MR SESELE How many members were there in the SDU? MR SERA We were four. MR SESELE Did you have any contact with any other person from the higher command structure except Mr Mohomane? MR SERA No, he was the only person that I had a contact with, so we received everything or the instructions from him. MR SESELE On the 5th of June 1993, the date of the incident, did you know that the ANC was involved in negotiations with the then government? MR SERA That's correct. MR SESELE Did you also know that the armed struggle was then suspended? MR SERA That's correct, I knew. MR SESELE Mr Mohomane has said he did not support the suspension of the armed struggle, and as your commander did you also not agree with that suspension? MR SERA Yes, that is correct, I was against the suspension of the armed struggle because our people were being killed. There were other killings while the previous government and the ANC were still involved in the negotiations. MR SESELE Are you then saying that you acted outside the policy of the ANC? MR SERA Yes, what we did we did outside the policy of the ANC. MR SESELE Isn't it probable that you came involved in this shooting for the sake of Mr Mohomane who had a criminal case against him? MR SERA Like I've already explained, I only learnt of it while I was on trial. MR SESELE When you were on trial and you heard the evidence by Mr Kele that was against all four of you in Court, didn't you ask for an opportunity to contradict that evidence? MR SERA Because I did not recognise that government I did not request for an opportunity to oppose his evidence. MR SESELE You didn't oppose the evidence but all the same you at the same time pleaded not guilty, is that right? Not guilty in Court. MR SERA That is correct, we did not plead guilty. MR SESELE Wasn't it explained to you that in order to substantiate your plea of not guilty you had to give some evidence if you don't agree with what was said against you? MR SERA No, Chairperson, that was not explained to us. MR SESELE Just to go a little bit backwards, who identified the two deceased policemen at Matsidiso(?) Restaurant? MR SERA That is Phillip Mosia. MR SESELE And where was Mr Mohomane then? MR SERA The three of us together with comrade Jack were outside. MR SESELE You said you knew the two deceased before the date of the incident, is that right? MR SERA Who said he knew the two accused before the incident? MR SESELE You personally said you knew them before the incident. MR SERA That is correct. MR SESELE Did you harbour any grudges against them? MR SERA The only thing that I was against was the way they were used against the people by the government of the day, that is to harass the people. MR SESELE I put it to you, Mr Sera, that all what you were involved in at the scene of the shooting was a matter of personal gain for Mr Mohomane. MR SERA That is not true. MR SESELE I further put it to you that since you also agree that you were acting outside the, outside what the ANC said regarding the armed struggle, you did this for your own purpose and you were not politically motivated. MR SERA That is not correct because after the suspension of the armed struggle the SDUs were formed in order to protect the communities because negotiations were still going on between the government and the ANC, while on the other hand the killings were continuing. So the SDUs were formed after that, after the people were being killed, in order to protect the people. MR SESELE After the shooting what happened to the firearms of the deceased policemen? MR SERA I took both firearms to the place where I lived. MR SESELE And regarding firearms, what was the instruction of your commanders? MR SERA We kept the weapons where we were training but that day I had the weapons. I was going to load the weapons. We kept our weapons where we used to conduct our training. MR SESELE Were those your instructions, to disarm the policemen? MR SERA The instruction that we got was to kill the police and not to take their arms on that particular day. MR SESELE But all the same you took the weapons along? CHAIRPERSON I think there might have been some misunderstanding, Mr Sesele, perhaps you can clear it up but my understanding was that he took the weapons that were used in the shooting, not the weapons that the police had on them. But perhaps you can clear it up. MR SESELE Thanks, Mr Chairman. Mr Sera, I'm referring to the weapons of the two police officers, what did you do with those weapons immediately after shooting them? MR SERA We did not disarm them, we left those weapons there. We only took with us the weapons that we used on the scene. MR SESELE Thank you, Mr Chairman, I have no further questions. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR SESELE CHAIRPERSON Thank you. Mr Mapoma? CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR MAPOMA Thank you, Sir. Mr Sera, after you completed your application for amnesty did you submit any letter in support of that application to the Amnesty Committee? MR SERA I will explain it this way. When we were filling these forms we didn't get any assistance as to how these forms should be filled. That is after we had filled these forms and we realised that there were mistakes and omissions that we made, that is when we decided that we should write letters to the Committee to give all the details that were missing or omitted from our application forms. MR MAPOMA So are you confirming that you did write a letter to the Amnesty Committee in support of this application? MR SERA That is correct, I agree that I wrote a letter and I gave it to comrade Mohomane. He is the person who took this letter to the office where they were supposed be sent to. MR MAPOMA And do you confirm that this letter that you wrote is the one which appears on page 24 up to page 29 of the bundle of documents, paginated bundle? MR SERA That's correct, that's the letter that I wrote. MR MAPOMA And in your evidence you have told the Committee that you did not have any contact with any other ANC member except, the only instructions you received were from Mr Mohomane, do you still confirm that? MR SERA Yes, I agree because we received everything from comrade Mohomane. MR MAPOMA And you did not have any contact with comrade Craig Khumalo? MR SERA Comrade Craig Khumalo was unknown to me. I was supposed to meet him after the operations together with comrade Mohomane but he was the person unknown to me then. MR MAPOMA Let me read for you on page 26 of the paginated bundle, paragraph 9. You say in this letter that you wrote to the Amnesty Committee "As I was regularly meeting with my instructor, the Chief-of-Staff of the Self Defence Units in the Northern Free State, a well trained cadre of MK who had his military training from abroad and recruited me to be involved in the mission of the SDUs." Then you go and go on. Now how do you explain this in the light of what you have just told the Committee? MR SERA What you have just read I will explain it this way. There was a misunderstanding between me and my commander. It's only now that I become aware that this is the statement that was supposed to be made by him because I had not yet met Khumalo by then. He was the only person who had contact with Khumalo, so I think that was the mistake that I made. MR MAPOMA But is this not the letter which was written by yourself and addressed to the Amnesty Committee? MR SERA Yes, that's correct, I wrote the letter. MR MAPOMA And you wanted the Amnesty Committee to grant you amnesty on the basis of what you say in this letter or in support of your application, is it not so? MR SERA That's correct, it supports my application. MR MAPOMA And in paragraph 10 on page 27 of the bundle, in paragraph 10 there on the second sentence you go on to say, in fact let me start from the first sentence of that paragraph. You say "We reached an agreement that we will have to meet again at a later stage and reach the final decision. We then met as agreed and we were both maintaining our position that really something has to be done, and he furnished the commander of the operation a 3.57 Magnum fully loaded revolver as the commander of the operation." When you say "he furnished to commander of the operation", whom do you refer to in this letter? MR SERA Like I've already explained, maybe we made a mistake while I was writing this letter. The person who was given this revolver was my commander, that is Mr Mohomane. MR MAPOMA And who was he giving it to? MR SERA What he told me was that he was given this weapon by comrade Khumalo for that particular operation that we were supposed to carry out. MR MAPOMA And who was the commander of the operation? MR SERA That is Isaac Mohomane. My commander was Isaac Mohomane. MR MAPOMA And Isaac Mohomane is the person who was the commander of the operation, is it so? MR SERA That's correct. MR MAPOMA And Isaac Mohomane was given this Magnum revolver by his commander? MR SERA The way he told me is that he was given this revolver by his commander. MR MAPOMA And as it appears in this letter of yours here, you were present when this revolver was given to Mr Mohomane. Do you agree with me that what is reflected in this letter here gives an impression that you were also present when this gun was given by this trained cadre of MK to the commander of your operation? MR SERA I've already explained, maybe it's a mistake that we made when I was writing this letter. MR MAPOMA Who told you to write this letter? MR SERA I was with comrade Mohomane when I was writing this letter. MR MAPOMA And you discussed it with him, isn't that so? MR SERA After writing this letter I gave it to him, so I don't know whether he read this letter before he took the letter where it was supposed to be delivered. CHAIRPERSON But the question was, when you were writing the letter or before writing the letter, did you and Mr Mohomane discuss what would be written or was this letter just your own initiative which you only gave to him after you wrote and when you gave it to him he didn't know or wouldn't necessarily have known exactly what you wrote? MR SERA We did discuss before we wrote this letter. DR TSOTSI Did you receive any letter from the TRC, from the Amnesty Committee? MR SERA Yes, there are letters that I received from the office of the TRC but I don't remember where they are right now. I think I left them in jail. DR TSOTSI What were they about, what was the content of the letters? MR SERA Some of those letters that I received I don't remember their contents clearly. CHAIRPERSON Yes, continue, Mr Mapoma. MR MAPOMA Now do you agree therefore, or which on is correct between the contents of this letter and what you have just told this Committee now? MR SERA What is correct is that comrade Mohomane is the only person who had contact with comrade Craig. MR MAPOMA When you met these policemen, or just explain, how did you get in contact with these policemen? MR SERA I never met these policemen. We went to the place where the car was parked, the policemen's car. I never met them so I didn't know them, I didn't know the people who were inside that car because I never went inside to identify the people who were inside. MR MAPOMA And what time was it? MR SERA For the first time we went there at seven together with comrade Isaac Mohomane. For the second time we went there as a unit, it was around nine or after nine or something to ten. MR MAPOMA And you have told the Committee that you knew these policemen, do you remember that? MR SERA That is correct, I knew them. I knew these policemen because I used to work at the Court as a messenger so sometimes when they were bringing the cases in Court I would meet them and that is where I knew that they were policemen. MR MAPOMA And you ...(indistinct) amongst yourselves, is it yourself who got into the restaurant where they were and identified them? MR SERA No, I did not. MR MAPOMA Is there someone amongst yourselves who went into the place where they were sitting and identified them? MR SERA The person who went inside was Phillip Mosia, while they were dining. MR MAPOMA And then he came back and told you who these policemen were? MR SERA He didn't tell us who they were, he just told us the policemen are there, that is the policemen who were driving the vehicle that we have identified. He didn't specify them by their names. MR MAPOMA Now in this letter that you wrote to the Amnesty Committee, on page 28 of this paginated bundle on the second paragraph you say this and I'm going to read for you "It was about 10 o'clock at night when we stopped a blue mini-bus entering the shopping centre." Did you stop a mini-bus at all? MR SERA It was already there when we arrived. MR MAPOMA You go on to say "We knew that it was a Murder and Robbery Squad which was in the mini-bus." Do you see that? MR SERA I knew them because like I've already said I was working in the Court, I used to see them there. MR MAPOMA Now do you agree with me that the contents of this letter or in fact the paragraph that I've just read to you in the contents of this letter, are at variance with what you are telling this Committee today? MR SERA I'll explain it this way ...(intervention) MR MAPOMA No, before you explain, do you agree with me that there are some variations between these contents I've just read for you and what you have told this Committee before? MR SERA Yes, I do. MR MAPOMA And how do you explain those variations then? MR SERA I'll explain it this way. Like I've already explained, while I was writing this letter I was sentenced to death. The death sentence contributed a lot to the mistakes that I had made in that letter. While I was writing this letter with Mr Mohomane, although we were sitting down discussing what should be written on this letter, sometimes I took some of the thing that was supposed to be written by him and then I wrote them in this letter. That is why I say that I must have committed some mistakes in the letter that appears in this bundle. MR MAPOMA Yes, but when you wrote this letter the death sentence was no longer in operation. You wrote this letter only on the 20th of March 1997. Do you understand that? MR SERA Yes, I agree with you. That is why I say I was affected by the death sentence. MR MAPOMA So the contents which I've just pointed out in this letter which you wrote to the Amnesty Committee were not true contents? MR SERA What is correct is what I've explained before this Committee. MR MAPOMA Okay. Thank you, Chairperson, no further questions. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MAPOMA CHAIRPERSON Thank you. Mr Mhlaba, do you have any re-examination? RE-EXAMINATION BY MR MHLABA Just one aspect, Mr Chairman. Do you know whether Mr Mohomane has also written a letter to the TRC? MR SERA He told me that he wrote a letter while I gave him this letter to be delivered at the TRC offices. MR MHLABA Did you see the letter he wrote, did you have an opportunity of reading it or have you never had such an opportunity? MR SERA I never had the opportunity to read that letter. MR MHLABA You have mentioned to the Committee that some of the aspects which are referred to in this letter were supposed to have been said by Mr Mohomane himself or written by him, can you explain more? Did he say some of these things to you, what he did? That is his contact with comrade Craig and you reduced it in writing into your letter. MR SERA He explained this to me. He told me that he had contact with comrade Craig. MR MHLABA So some of the contents here are not applicable to you, is that correct? MR SERA That's correct. MR MHLABA Thank you, Chair, I've got no further questions. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MHLABA CHAIRPERSON Thank you. Doctor Tsotsi, do you have any questions to ask the witness? DR TSOTSI What was the political relationship between the SDUs and the ANC? MR SERA The SDU was formed after we realised that the ANC was still in negotiations with the government, while on the other side the killings of the people were continuing. That is when the ANC decided that we should form these Self Defence Units. DR TSOTSI Was the SDU a structure of the ANC or was it independent of the ANC? MR SERA It was the structure within the ANC. DR TSOTSI That is all. CHAIRPERSON Mr Sibanyoni, do you have any questions to ask the witness? MR SIBANYONI I've got no questions, Mr Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON You've eluded to this in your evidence but can you explain why when you filled in your application form during April 1996, why you made no mention whatsoever of the Self Defence Units? MR SERA When I was filling this application form it was before I met my commander. So we received the forms from the prison where I was based, so I didn't receive any advice as to how this form should be completed. CHAIRPERSON So are you saying that the filling in of this application form which appears - if you can just confirm, perhaps Mr Mhlaba can show it to you, which appears on page 19 through to 23 of the bundle, when you filled in that form you say you did that without any consultation with Mr Mohomane and you did it independently just by yourself without any assistance at all from anyone? MR SERA I was alone when I filled this form on my own. CHAIRPERSON And is there any particular reason why when in response to a specific question about if you were instructed or the order was given to perform the act by any person, who was that person, and you put not applicable (N/A), when you now quite clearly say it was Mr Mohomane who instructed you. Are you saying you also filled that in as not applicable (N/A) because you didn't quite understand the form? MR SERA I was under the impression that I will only reveal the name of the person who gave me the instruction before the Committee. CHAIRPERSON So then why did you mention Mr Mohomane as being your commander in the letter that you wrote the Committee later, if it was your impression that you would only mention names when you actually appeared before the Committee? MR SERA I mentioned him in that letter because I had already received the advice from him, that I should mention that I got the instructions from him. CHAIRPERSON At the time of the incidents, 5 June 1993, whereabout did you live? MR SERA I lived at Momotsha(?) CHAIRPERSON Sorry, what place? MR SERA M-O-M-O-T-S-H-A. CHAIRPERSON Whereabouts is that? MR SERA It's about 20 to 25 kilometres from Phuthaditjhaba. CHAIRPERSON Mr Mhlaba, do you have any questions arising out of questions that have been put by members of the panel? MR MHLABA No, I have no questions, Mr Chairman. NO QUESTIONS BY MR MHLABA CHAIRPERSON Mr Sesele? MR SESELE I have no questions, Mr Chairman. NO QUESTIONS BY MR SESELE CHAIRPERSON Mr Mapoma? MR MAPOMA I have no questions, thank you. NO QUESTIONS BY MR MAPOMA CHAIRPERSON Yes, thank you, Mr Sera, that concludes your testimony. You may stand down now. WITNESS EXCUSED