amntrans AMNESTY HEARING 1998-11-25 PALM RIDGE 3 AUBREY MATLEMA MAILE AM (?) https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=53003&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/1998/9811231210_pr_981125th.htm MR MOPEDI Thank you, Mr Chairman. The next applicant is Aubrey Matlema Maile. ADV STEENKAMP Mr Chairman, his application appears on page 281 of the same bundle. CHAIRPERSON Which page number? ADV STEENKAMP 281, Mr Chairman. CHAIRPERSON Please stand and give us your full names. AUBREY MATLEMA MAILE (sworn states) CHAIRPERSON Mr Mopedi? EXAMINATION BY MR MOPEDI Thank you, Mr Chairman. Mr Maile, you are also an applicant in this matter and do you also confirm that you were a member of the Self Defence Unit for the area Lusaka-A? MR MAILE That is correct. MR MOPEDI How old were you - before I come to that question, when did you join as a member of the Self Defence Unit? MR MAILE It was early 1993. MR MOPEDI Were you forced to join? MR MAILE No. MR MOPEDI What were your duties? MR MAILE My duties were to clean the firearms, store them. I used to keep some of these firearms at my parents' home. And also to work a way finder was those colleagues that would come and launch an attack. Those were my duties. MR MOPEDI Alright, in short you confirm what Simphiwe Godfrey Ndlovu has told this hearing? MR MAILE That is correct. MR MOPEDI Is there anything that you would like to add on what you have told us? MR MAILE Yes. MR MOPEDI You may proceed. MR MAILE There is one incident that has been mentioned by Simphiwe Ndlovu in which a taxi was attacked at the hostel gate. I was present. I am the one who went in front before him, to make sure that there were no police and I came back to give him the information to the effect that it was safe, we could then go. And then yes, we did go there. I think it was on the third circle at a street that is facing the hostel. When we arrived there myself and Thulani had to make sure that we look out for the police and they were facing a direction towards the hostel. It was not long before we had arrived there, not more than five minutes. As we were looking around we heard gunshots after which Simphiwe and Sipho appeared fleeing. As our duty to look out for the police, we continued doing that until we returned to our placed. That is the one role in which I partook. MR MOPEDI So on that day, did you make use of any firearm? MR MAILE I did not carry a firearm but Simphiwe and Sipho used to carry firearms. MR MOPEDI Thank you, Mr Chairman, no further questions. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MOPEDI CHAIRPERSON Thank you, Mr Mopedi. Advocate Steenkamp? MR MAILE No questions, thank you, Mr Chairman. NO QUESTIONS BY ADV STEENKAMP CHAIRPERSON I assume there would be no re-examination? MR MOPEDI Thank you, Mr Chairman, no re-examination. NO RE-EXAMINATION BY MR MOPEDI CHAIRPERSON Thank you, you are excused, thank you very much. WITNESS EXCUSED