amntrans AMNESTY HEARING 1998-11-26 PRETORIA 4 JOHANNES PHEELLO NYAKAMA AM 7282/97 https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=53008&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/1998/9811231210_pr_981126th.htm CHAIRPERSON Who is the next applicant? MR SIBEKO The next applicant is Mr Johannes Pheello Nyakama. His application is on page 180. CHAIRPERSON Will you please stand. Please give your full names for the record. JOHANNES PHEELLO NYAKAMA (sworn states) CHAIRPERSON Thank you. Mr Sibeko? EXAMINATION BY MR SIBEKO Thank you, Mr Chairman. Mr Nyakama, you are applying for amnesty, is that correct? MR NYAKAMA That is correct. MR SIBEKO In your application form you indicate that you were either an office bearer, member or supporter of the ANC, what exactly were you at the time? MR NYAKAMA I was a secretary in our section, that is Lusaka-A. That is, I was a SANCO secretary. Our duties included listening to people's complaints and we also sat at the SANCO central level where we represented people's complaints. MR SIBEKO In your application form again on page 181, paragraph, question 9(a)4 you say you were involved in collecting money from the community for firearms, do you confirm that? MR NYAKAMA Yes, I confirm that. MR SIBEKO Were those firearms legal or illegal? MR NYAKAMA The firearms were not legal. MR SIBEKO Were you personally involved in buying those arms? MR NYAKAMA No, I was not involved. MR SIBEKO After those arms were purchased, were you personally involved in distributing them? MR NYAKAMA No, I was not involved. MR SIBEKO Will I be correct then in saying you are applying for amnesty for your role in collecting, in fact for facilitating the purchase of those illegal firearms? MR NYAKAMA That is correct. MR SIBEKO Were you ever involved in any of the activities of the Self Defence Units wherein shots were fired? MR NYAKAMA No. MR SIBEKO Thank you, Mr Chairman, no further questions. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR SIBEKO CHAIRPERSON Thank you. Cross-examination? ADV STEENKAMP Nothing, thank you, Mr Chairman. NO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY ADV STEENKAMP CHAIRPERSON The panel? ADV GCABASHE Just one, the clarity on the ANC answer. You were a member of the ANC in 1992, which is what this application is dealing with? MR NYAKAMA I was a member of the ANC. ADV GCABASHE Thank you. CHAIRPERSON There's no re-examination? MR SIBEKO None, Mr Chairman. NO RE-EXAMINATION BY MR SIBEKO CHAIRPERSON Thank you. Mr Nyakama, thank you for coming, you are excused. WITNESS EXCUSED