amntrans AMNESTY HEARING 1998-11-25 DURBAN 2 THAMI TULANI ZONDI THEMBI VICTORIA MZQUSO MTHEMBU https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=53064&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/1998/9811241202_dbn_981125db.htm MR SIPHO I now call Thami Tulani Zondi. His application form doesn't form part of my bundle, I have it separately, thank you. THAMI TULANI ZONDI (sworn states) CHAIRPERSON Thank you. Mr Sipho? EXAMINATION BY MR SIPHO Thank you. Mr Zondi, how old are you? MR ZONDI I am 29. MR SIPHO During 1991, in what area did you reside? MR ZONDI At Nhlalagahle, Greytown. MR SIPHO You have heard the evidence of the last two witnesses that testified here this morning. Do you agree with their evidence? MR ZONDI Yes. MR SIPHO Do you associate yourself with what they have said? MR ZONDI Yes. MR SIPHO Okay, you were also convicted of having participated in the murder of the deceased, weren't you? MR ZONDI Yes. MR SIPHO And what time of imprisonment were you sentenced to? MR ZONDI Ten years. MR SIPHO Okay, have you now been released? MR ZONDI Yes. MR SIPHO When were you released? MR ZONDI On the 11th of August. MR SIPHO Okay, now were you also a person who was travelling in a kombi that went passed the compound that day? MR ZONDI Yes. MR SIPHO Did you see the deceased? MR ZONDI Yes. MR SIPHO Okay, after you saw the deceased, where did you go to? MR ZONDI I went home with my brothers. MR SIPHO Okay, and is it true that later that afternoon, you were part of a group of people that accosted the deceased and began assaulting her? MR ZONDI Yes, I did partake. MR SIPHO And did you also end up going to the home of Mr Msolo? MR ZONDI Yes. MR SIPHO Did you also take part in stabbing the deceased? MR ZONDI Yes, I did. MR SIPHO Do you know how many times you stabbed her? MR ZONDI No, I can't quite remember. MR SIPHO Did you belong to any particular structures of the ANC at that time? MR ZONDI Yes. MR SIPHO Which structure? MR ZONDI I was an ANC member. MR SIPHO Okay, but as far as you were concerned, what was the relationship between members of the ANC and the IFP, was it a close, friendly one, or was it a hostile one? MR ZONDI Hostile one. MR SIPHO Okay. And is the fact that an ANC member had been seen in the IFP stronghold, that gave rise to the events of that day? MR ZONDI Yes. MR SIPHO How do you feel about the fact that this person lost her life? MR ZONDI It is hurting that a person had died in that particular way, actually it is hurtful, anybody's death. MR SIPHO Here again, members of the Committee, I don't wish to take this witness through every other aspect of the matter, and I leave him in your hands. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR SIPHO CHAIRPERSON Mr Thabete, do you have any questions to put to the witness? CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MS THABETE Just one question Mr Chairman. Was it the norm that if an ANC person was seen in an IFP area, he or she would be attacked? MR ZONDI Yes. MS THABETE Do you have an example of an incident that had occurred before where a person was attacked, how that person was attacked? MR ZONDI Yes, a person would be killed when an IFP member entered the township. MS THABETE No further questions. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MS THABETE CHAIRPERSON Any re-examination? MR SIPHO None. NO RE-EXAMINATION BY MR SIPHO CHAIRPERSON Mr Lax? Mr Sibanyoni? MR SIBANYONI No questions, Mr Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON Mr Zondi, did you have your own knife? MR ZONDI Yes. CHAIRPERSON Did you stab the deceased more than once? MR ZONDI Yes. CHAIRPERSON When you stabbed her, was she standing up or laying down? MR ZONDI She was standing. CHAIRPERSON And when you - after the stabbing when you left the deceased, was she in your view, dead? MR ZONDI Well, I wouldn't be accurate in that sense, but due to the fact that there was plenty of us, it was evident to us that she would die. CHAIRPERSON Thank you. Mr Sipho, any questions arising? MR SIPHO I've got no further questions. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR SIPHO CHAIRPERSON Ms Thabete? MS THABETE No further questions, Mr Chair. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MS THABETE CHAIRPERSON Thank you Mr Zondi, you may stand down. WITNESS EXCUSED .