amntrans AMNESTY HEARING 1999-02-04 METHODIST CHURCH, JOHANNESBURG 4 MZWAKE BUTHELEZI https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=53176&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/1999/99020118_jhb_990204jh.htm MR SHANE Morning Mr Chairman. The matter I wish to call is that of Mzwake Buthelezi. Mr Chairman there is no application in the normal form before you, an affidavit has been prepared which I believe you do have. CHAIRPERSON ADV STEENKAMP "... my application form is lost and I can give no explanation, save to say that officials of the TRC did take my form from me." MR SHANE With respect Mr Chairman, he says he signed the form at the school, Mapanzela School, and it was on the 10th of May 1997. CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE Mr Chairman ...(indistinct) INTERPRETER CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON Are you done? MR SHANE On that aspect, yes. CHAIRPERSON "...my application form is lost and I can give no explanation for this save to say that officials" plural: "...of the TRC did take my form from me." MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON On what else is it based? MR SHANE ...(inaudible) INTERPRETER CHAIRPERSON ...(inaudible) an affidavit from those people attached to this? MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE I will submit with the greatest respect, that on this before you there is, on a balance of probabilities, at the very least on a balance of probabilities, you can find that he, on the deadline day, he signed his application for amnesty. It was taken. He was with numerous, all the applicants. If you look all these applications before you ...(intervention) CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE Mr Chairman if that was, I mean this is pure speculation, but if that was the case, I would have to try and find out who that person was, if he could tell me. CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE Mr Chairman I would still submit that if I could then establish who this person was, what was their capacity, I would then have to either bring that person before you or get that person to depose, but it would not, I would submit it would not render his submission invalid. CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE With respect Mr Chairman, if, after ...(intervention) CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE I do Mr Chairman. CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON Did it cross your mind, did it cross your mind to try to find out who these officials were? MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON Why would you not have put her name in this affidavit? MR SHANE Mr Chairman because ...(intervention) CHAIRPERSON ...(inaudible) lend credence to the allegation that he did give it over to an official. MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON "...officials of the TRC." MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE Correct Mr Chairman. By saying that his failure, or the failure of his application to be before you, is due to no act or omission on his part, implies something went wrong on the part of the TRC. CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON ADV STEENKAMP CHAIRPERSON ADV STEENKAMP CHAIRPERSON ADV STEENKAMP CHAIRPERSON ADV STEENKAMP Thank you very much, Mr Chairman. COMMITTEE ADJOURNS ON RESUMPTION CHAIRPERSON Yes Mr Shane. MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON Yes, Mr Steenkamp? ADV STEENKAMP CHAIRPERSON 8TH FEBRUARY 1999 MR SHANE As you wish Mr Chairman. CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE CHAIRPERSON MR SHANE As you wish Mr Chairman. CHAIRPERSON COMMITTEE ADJOURNS ON RESUMPTION