amntrans AMNESTY HEARINGS 1999-02-04 JOHANNESBURG 4 CHRISTOPHER NGCOBO AM7669/97 https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=53181&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/1999/99020118_jhb_990204jh.htm MR SHANE The next applicant Mr Chairman, is Mr Christopher Ngcobo, his application appears on page 86. The application number is AM7669/97. Again Mr Chairman, in this application, there is no identity document number and Mr Ngcobo instructed me that his ID book is at home, and we beg leave that we submit it on Monday as well. CHAIRPERSON Mr Ngcobo, what language would you prefer to use? MR NGCOBO I cannot lift my right hand. CHAIRPERSON Just say, so help me, God. CHRISTOPHER NGCOBO (sworn states) CHAIRPERSON Please be seated. EXAMINATION BY MR SHANE Thank you Mr Chairman. Mr Ngcobo, were you also a member of the Self Defence Unit in Penduka? MR NGCOBO Yes, that is correct. MR SHANE Is this Section also known as Tambo Slovo? MR NGCOBO Yes, that is correct. MR SHANE Here in your application, you state that your address is 942 Nqala Section, Katlehong. Do you have an explanation thereof? MR NGCOBO Yes. Nqala is separated by a furrow. MR SHANE So, will I be correct that you were actively involved in the incidents of Penduka? MR NGCOBO Yes, that is correct. MR SHANE Were you listening to the testimony or the evidence of Mr Solomon Dlamini? MR NGCOBO Yes. MR SHANE Was your name also mentioned amongst the people who went to rob firearms at the Kliprivier police station? MR NGCOBO Yes. MR SHANE Were you part of the group that remained outside of the police station while Mr Dlamini and Themba Sibeko got into the police station? MR NGCOBO Yes. MR SHANE Do you associate yourself with their conduct, that is the conduct of Mr Dlamini and Themba Sibeko? MR NGCOBO Yes. MR SHANE Is there any other thing that you would want to add that you feel Mr Dlamini has left out of his evidence? MR NGCOBO No, there is nothing at all. I think he must have forgotten that, I think he forgot the fourth person, there were four of us outside. Yes, there were four of us outside. MR SHANE If you were to be given a chance to reconcile with the victims of your incident, would you take that opportunity to do so? MR NGCOBO Very much so. CHAIRPERSON Are you known by another name? MR NGCOBO Yes. CHAIRPERSON What is that? MR NGCOBO Khethi. CHAIRPERSON Spell it. MR SHANE Is there any other thing that you would want to add sir? CHAIRPERSON Spell that name. MR NGCOBO Khethi. MR SHANE Thank you Mr Chairman. Is there any other thing that you would want to add sir? MR NGCOBO No, I think that is about all. MR SHANE Do you confirm everything that he said to be a true version of what actually happened on that particular day? MR NGCOBO Yes, I confirm that. MR SHANE Thank you Mr Chairman, no further questions. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR SHANE ADV STEENKAMP No questions, thank you Mr Chairman. NO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY ADV STEENKAMP CHAIRPERSON Yes, thank you. You are excused. WITNESS EXCUSED MR SHANE Mr Chairman, that would conclude my applications for the day. May I be excused? CHAIRPERSON I just want to find out if Mr Steenkamp can get hold of you at any time? ADV STEENKAMP I can Mr Chairman. MR SHANE Pardon Mr Chairman? CHAIRPERSON I am finding out if Mr Steenkamp can contact you at any time. You are excused as well. ADV STEENKAMP Mr Chairman, I don't want to have the last word, but I have consulted and spoken to all my colleagues, including Mr Shane, detailing in an attempt to have enough information to prepare the roll for the next week, I have a very clear idea at this moment which cases are going to be heard and which are not going to be heard. There is unfortunate certain matters which all my learned colleagues still have to be in a position to consult, they still have to meet certain applicants. At this moment, this is including Mr Sanje Makanjee, who is not here - well, he is here today, but he didn't appear today, which is about, I would guess about eight to nine matters. My suggestion to you Mr Chairman, that on Monday I can just put on record that Mr Lawly Shane informed me just now, that he will be only available and ready to continue next week, which will probably be Monday or some time next week, he was not in a position to put a date or a time exactly when he will be ready. There is however, certain other matters that we can start with on Monday, which my colleagues have prepared already. I would suggest for the rest of the week Mr Chairman, there is no hearable or matters that is ready for today and I would suggest that we continue with this hearing and with the roll, on Monday if that suits you. Obviously we are in your hands, Mr Chairman. Thank you sir. CHAIRPERSON Yes, we then have to adjourn till Monday morning, nine o'clock. ADV STEENKAMP Thank you Mr Chairman. COMMITTEE ADJOURNS