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	<type>BAFO GIFT NGQUNGE</type>
	<startdate>1999-05-25</startdate>
	<location>EAST LONDON</location>
	<day>1</day>
								<url>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=53441&amp;t=&amp;tab=hearings</url>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>ON RESUMPTION</text>
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			<speaker>MR VABAZA</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Mr Chairperson and the members of the ... (indistinct). Allow Mr Bafo Ngqunge to testify.</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Mr Ngqunge what language would you prefer to use.</text>
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			<speaker>MR NGQUNGE</speaker>
			<text>Xhosa.</text>
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			<speaker>BAFO GIFT NGQUNGE</speaker>
			<text>(sworn and states)</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Mr Ngqunge you are one of the persons referred by the previous witness, not so, as being part of a group of people who embarked on these ventures. Is that correct?</text>
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			<speaker>MR NGQUNGE</speaker>
			<text>That is correct.</text>
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		<line number="8">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>You have heard what he had to say about the planning and what actually happened. Is that correct?</text>
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		<line number="9">
			<speaker>MR NGQUNGE</speaker>
			<text>That is correct.</text>
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		<line number="10">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Do you differ with him in any way?</text>
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			<speaker>MR NGQUNGE</speaker>
			<text>No, I don&#039;t differ.</text>
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		<line number="12">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Do you agree with what he says?</text>
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			<speaker>MR NGQUNGE</speaker>
			<text>Yes, I agree.</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>And in the same way, you were - were you a member of the ANC structure?</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>MR NGQUNGE:	That is correct.</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Which was that?</text>
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		<line number="17">
			<speaker>MR NGQUNGE</speaker>
			<text>ANC Youth League.</text>
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		<line number="18">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>And would you therefore have fallen under the umbrella of command of Sotyifa.</text>
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		<line number="19">
			<speaker>MR NGQUNGE</speaker>
			<text>Yes, that is correct.</text>
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		<line number="20">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>And you were prepared to comply with the instructions that he may have given?</text>
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		<line number="21">
			<speaker>MR NGQUNGE</speaker>
			<text>That is correct.</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>And would you agree also that this other policeman, Mxolise, did you know whether he was giving the community trouble, and in particular membership of the ANC?</text>
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			<speaker>MR NGQUNGE</speaker>
			<text>According to our commander, that is correct.</text>
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		<line number="24">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>And you accepted that as true?</text>
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		<line number="25">
			<speaker>MR NGQUNGE</speaker>
			<text>We accepted it.</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>What arm were you carrying personally?</text>
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		<line number="27">
			<speaker>MR NGQUNGE</speaker>
			<text>I was carrying a Stashkin, a pistol.</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Yes, thank you. Have you got any further questions you would like to lead him on, Mr Vabaza?</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>NO QUESTIONS BY MR VABAZA</text>
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		<line number="30">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>NO QUESTIONS BY MS MTANGA</text>
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		<line number="31">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>WITNESS EXCUSED</text>
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