amntrans AMNESTY HEARINGS 1999-06-15 EAST LONDON 2 SIBONGILE NDIOKO https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=53478&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/1999/99061418_eln_990615el.htm CHAIRPERSON Who is next Mr Obose? MR OBOSE ...(indistinct) pages 86 - 91. CHAIRPERSON Yes. 86 - 91. MR OBOSE Thank you Mr Chairman. SIBONGILE NDIOKO (sworn states) EXAMINATION BY MR OBOSE Mr Ndioko, you are a captain in the South African Police Services, is that correct? MR NDIOKO Yes, that is correct. MR OBOSE You are a captain in the South African police services is that correct? MR NDIOKO Yes, that is correct. MR OBOSE You know this application relates to the 22nd and the 23rd March 1994, is that correct? MR NDIOKO Yes, that is correct. MR OBOSE Did you go to this meeting at Bisho police college? MR NDIOKO No, I did not attend the first meeting, but after some time when I heard that there were police that were held hostage I went there as a public relations officer. MR OBOSE When you received this news, where were you? MR NDIOKO I was in my office at Bisho. MR OBOSE At about what time did you go to the meeting? MR NDIOKO I cannot be that certain but I think it was between 1 and 2. MR OBOSE When you got to the meeting, what was the mood like in the hall or even outside? MR NDIOKO The people were singing freedom songs. There were officers who were at the stage and the other members and they were singing, they were in that mood. MR OBOSE Now, what did you then do? Did you associate yourself with this or did you decide that you won't be party to this singing? MR OBOSE I associated myself with this. MR OBOSE Doing what, specifically? MR NDIOKO MR OBOSE Did you actually participate in the meeting, give instructions, pose questions, raise issues? MR NDIOKO Yes, I was assisting in certain issues, though I was not giving any instructions. MR OBOSE Now, you were part of the delegation to go to Brig Gqozo to do what? MR NDIOKO MR OBOSE Did you find Brig Gqozo? MR NDIOKO Yes, that is correct. MR OBOSE What happened at his house? MR NDIOKO We got into his house and we waited for a moment and he came to talk to us. Just before we could say anything, he expressed his disappointment, disappointed by the police and soldiers to such an extent that he decided to step down. That's what I can remember. MR OBOSE Now you were also part of a delegation that went to the Embassy the following morning. Why was it deemed necessary that there be such a delegation? MR NDIOKO MR OBOSE What was the nature of this meeting? MR NDIOKO This meeting was a meeting of the representatives from all the labour unions who were existing at the time and representatives from different departments and the other people that I do not know, but the chairperson was Mr Smuts Ngonyama and Zen Pekas, those are the people that I can remember. MR OBOSE Did you see the following applicants in the meeting? Mr P A Loni? MR NDIOKO What meeting? MR OBOSE At Bisho police college. MR NDIOKO Yes, that it is correct. MR OBOSE L C Kamana? MR NDIOKO Yes. MR OBOSE A K Mfene? MR NDIOKO Yes, I saw him. MR OBOSE L Moleshe? MR NDIOKO Yes. MR OBOSE K N Potwana? MR NDIOKO I am not sure about the name, perhaps if I can see him I will be able to identify him. MR OBOSE Okay. V S Sibuqashe? MR NDIOKO Yes. MR OBOSE N S Toto. MR NDIOKO Yes. MR OBOSE M C Nqinana? MR NDIOKO Yes. MR OBOSE B M Yoyo? MR NDIOKO Yes. MR OBOSE N Z Kolele? MR NDIOKO Yes MR OBOSE D Simangwe? MR NDIOKO Yes. MR OBOSE N Ndoko? MR NDIOKO I am not sure about him, but perhaps if I can see him I'll be able to identify him. MR OBOSE M W Peteni? MR NDIOKO Yes. MR OBOSE And S S Golo? MR NDIOKO Yes. MR OBOSE So they were part of this singing and goings on in that meeting? MR NDIOKO Yes that is correct. MR OBOSE Thank you. Thank you Mr Chairman. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR OBOSE CHAIRPERSON Mr Nompozolo, any questions? MR NOMPOZOLO Thank you, no questions Mr Chair. CHAIRPERSON Ms Collett, any questions? MS COLLETT No questions. CHAIRPERSON Thank you. Mr Mapoma, any questions? MR MAPOMA No questions, Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON Panel, any questions? I assume you wouldn't have any re-examination Mr Obose. MR OBOSE No thank you. CHAIRPERSON Mr Ndioko, you're excused. WITNESS EXCUSED MR OBOSE Mr Chairman I will call M W Peteni.