amntrans AMNESTY HEARINGS 1999-06-17 EAST LONDON 3 NDOZAKHE NDUKU AM7977/97 https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=53484&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/1999/99061418_eln_990617el.htm ON RESUMPTION CHAIRPERSON Yes Mr Obose, who is next? MR OBOSE Mr Chairman, it is Mr Nduku. His application appears at pages 99 to 105, thank you Mr Chairman. CHAIRPERSON Is that Mr Nduku? Can you give your full names please? MR NDUKU Ndozakhe Nduku. NDOZAKHE NDUKU (sworn states) CHAIRPERSON Thank you, you may be seated. Mr Obose? EXAMINATION BY MR OBOSE Thank you Mr Chairman. You are attached to the South African Police Services, what rank do you hold Mr Nduku? MR NDUKU I am an Inspector. MR OBOSE In 1994, March, what rank did you hold? MR NDUKU I was a Sergeant. MR OBOSE Did you attend the meeting at Bisho Police College on the 22nd of March 1994? MR NDUKU Yes, that is correct. MR OBOSE Why? MR NDUKU I heard that all the Police were wanted at the College. MR OBOSE Who made this announcement, do you know? MR NDUKU I was just coming from Umtata, I just got that message that all the Police were at the College. MR OBOSE You then proceeded to the College? MR NDUKU Yes, that is correct. MR OBOSE What time did you get to Bisho Police College? MR NDUKU I arrived there after eight o'clock in the evening. MR OBOSE What did you find in the hall? MR NDUKU The people were singing freedom songs, the Police. MR OBOSE Any slogans, were they shouting? MR NDUKU Yes, that is correct. MR OBOSE Which ones? MR NDUKU They were saying "down with Gqozo" or "away with Gqozo". MR OBOSE What impression did you then gain from this gathering as a Policeman? MR NDUKU I just participated, I did not think of anything. MR OBOSE Did you see the nature of the gathering when you got there as being political or neutral? MR NDUKU It was more of a political mood or situation. MR OBOSE You said you joined in what was going on? MR NDUKU That is correct. MR OBOSE By doing what? MR NDUKU I joined the singing, saying (own interpretation) "down with Gqozo" or "away with Gqozo". MR OBOSE Did you want him to step down or not? MR NDUKU Yes, I wanted him to step down. MR OBOSE Did you get inside the hall or you couldn't, it was full and you were outside? MR NDUKU I stood at the entrance, I did not get inside. MR OBOSE Did you fetch any Officer, bringing him to the meeting? MR NDUKU No. MR OBOSE You just took part in what was going on there, by singing and shouting slogans? MR NDUKU Yes, that is correct. MR OBOSE Were you armed? MR NDUKU Yes, I was armed. As a Detective, my firearm is always with me. MR OBOSE And the other Policemen in the hall and in the parameters of the Bisho College? MR NDUKU I did not notice, but all I know is that I was armed. MR OBOSE Thank you, nothing further, Mr Chairman. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR OBOSE CHAIRPERSON Thank you Mr Obose. Any questions Mr Nompozolo? MR NOMPOZOLO Thank you, no questions, Mr Chairman. NO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR NOMPOZOLO CHAIRPERSON Thank you, Ms Collett? MS COLLETT No questions. NO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MS COLLETT CHAIRPERSON Thank you. Mr Mapoma, have you got any questions? MR MAPOMA Thank you Chairperson, no questions. NO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR MAPOMA CHAIRPERSON Has the panel got anything? ADV BOSMAN Just one or two. Mr Nduku, did you know that the Officers were brought to the hall, the senior Officers? MR NDUKU I just saw them at the podium, maintaining the usual positions during the meetings. ADV BOSMAN Did you know that they were not allowed to leave? MR NDUKU No. ADV BOSMAN Did you identify with this whole scene there of the Officers being there and people not leaving the hall, did you associate yourself with that? MR NDUKU If it was said that you should do this, you were supposed to do that. ADV BOSMAN Thank you. CHAIRPERSON Thank you. Any re-examination? MR OBOSE None, thank you, Your Worship. NO RE-EXAMINATION BY MR OBOSE CHAIRPERSON Mr Nduku, you are excused. WITNESS EXCUSED