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	<startdate>1999-08-04</startdate>
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	<day>3</day>
	<names>WILLEM PETRUS LOUW</names>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text> MR BOOYENS:   The following applicant is Mr Willem Petrus Louw.  His application appears from page 20 to 29, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker>WILLEM PETRUS LOUW</speaker>
			<text>(sworn states)</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Mr Booyens?</text>
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			<speaker>EXAMINATION BY MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>	Mr Louw, you have your amnesty application before you, is that correct?</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>That is correct.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>And with regard to paragraph 7(a) and (b) you say with regard to the political party in the role, you were a supporter of the National Party, is that correct?</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>That is so, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>Can we just request that amendment, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>That&#039;s paragraph 7(a), to delete &quot;NVT&quot; and put &quot;Nasionale Party&quot; and in paragraph 7(b), delete &quot;NVT&quot; and put &quot;Ondersteuner&quot;.  This is on page 20 of volume 1.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Mr Chairman.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>	Mr Louw, you have your amnesty application before you, is that correct?</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>That is correct.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>And you worked under the command of Mr Wal du Toit, is that correct?</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>That is correct.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>You have heard his evidence with regard to the instructions received?</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>Yes, I did, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>And do you confirm his evidence?</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>I agree, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>And you as well as the other members of the Technical Division were never placed in a position to consider the merits of an operation because you did not receive full details about it?</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>That&#039;s correct.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>And the technical assistance which you gave with regard to the modification of arms through the years, did you accept that it would be used in the struggle against the forces who were opposed to the government at that stage?</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>That&#039;s correct, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>And do you confirm the contents with regard to your background as it appears in your amnesty application?</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>That&#039;s correct, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>And do you confirm that with regard to the modification of these arms, as your colleagues, that you were aware that the application would be illegal and did you have any problems with the fact that it was with regard to the moral justification thereof?</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>I did not have a problem with it, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>You apply for amnesty for any offence or delict which might flow from the modification of arms, is that correct?</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>That is correct, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>And as to the rest you confirm what appears in your application?</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>That&#039;s correct, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BOOYENS</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Mr Chairman.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR BOOYENS</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Mr Booyens.  Mr Hattingh, any questions?</text>
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			<speaker>MR HATTINGH</speaker>
			<text>No, thank you, Mr Chairman.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>NO QUESTIONS BY MR HATTINGH</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Mr Cornelius?</text>
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			<speaker>MR CORNELIUS</speaker>
			<text>No questions, thank you, Chair.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>NO QUESTIONS BY MR CORNELIUS</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Mr Visser?</text>
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			<speaker>MR VISSER</speaker>
			<text>No questions, thank you, Mr Chairman.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>NO QUESTIONS BY MR VISSER</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Mr Mafora?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MAFORA</speaker>
			<text>No questions, Mr Chair, thank you.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>NO QUESTIONS BY MR MAFORA</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Ms Lockhat?</text>
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			<speaker>MS LOCKHAT</speaker>
			<text>No questions, thank you, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>NO QUESTIONS BY MS LOCKHAT</text>
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		<line number="49">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Adv Gcabashe?</text>
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			<speaker>ADV GCABASHE</speaker>
			<text>No questions.</text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Mr Louw, that concludes your evidence.</text>
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			<speaker>MR LOUW</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>WITNESS EXCUSED</text>
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