amntrans AMNESTY HEARINGS 1999-11-26 PRETORIA 8 JAKOBUS FRANCOIS KOK - RECALL CONTINUATION - ATTEMPTED MURDER OF DIRK COETZEE AND MURDER OF BHEKI MLANGENE https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=53913&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/1999/9911151210_pre_991126pt.htm MR BOOYENS May it please the Committee and gentlemen, Booyens on record. As discussed up in your rooms, I've got available, Mr Japie and Mr Kobus Kok, in an effort to try to solve the mystery of the packaging of this document insofar as we can go. I ask leave first to call Mr Japie Kok. Unfortunately I must apologise, Mr Chairman, I've got the exhibits with me because he'll have to testify on that and it seems we've got only one photo album available. MR LAX Mr Kok, you are still under your previous oath, do you confirm that? JAKOBUS FRANCOIS KOK (s.u.o.) MR LAX Thank you, Chairperson. FURTHER EXAMINATION BY MR BOOYENS Mr Kok, you have already given evidence in this application and in your evidence you mentioned that you were present with the people from Vlakplaas when the cassette player was bought along with the earphones, is that correct? MR J F KOK That is correct, Chairperson. MR BOOYENS We have now been placed in possession of, let us call it a lightweight cardboard box, polystyrene, and a cassette player. The cardboard packaging reads that it's a Unisef 5Z10, or an SZ10, something to that effect. Do you recognise it? MR J F KOK Yes, I do. MR BOOYENS As what? MR J F KOK This is the container when we bought the first cassette player. Do you know what the second one looked like? MR J F KOK The second one was the same because I saw the second one when I came back. CHAIRPERSON Just to get on the record, they haven't -this is just the ordinary cardboard box that the manufacturer sells his products in, with the name, information about it, and I think it comes from Japan. MR BOOYENS Ja, it comes from Japan, Mr Chairman. Did you ever remove it from the packaging? MR J F KOK Yes, the first machine I opened and we opened it up to look at it. MR BOOYENS And how was it packaged in this box? MR J F KOK It was packed in a blister pack and the earphones on the outside and the tape player on the inside. MR BOOYENS And then it moves into the cardboard box. MR J F KOK Yes, you just slide it into the cardboard box. MR BOOYENS So to take it back from the original packaging, one would take it out of the polystyrene pack and if one wants to seal it again, let us call it a blister pack because I also don't know it is in Afrikaans, one would place it back in the blister pack and put it in the cardboard box, is that correct? MR J F KOK Yes, one would place it back as close as possible to its original shape. MR BOOYENS Chairperson, that is as far as Mr Japie Kok can assist the Committee. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR BOOYENS CHAIRPERSON Any questions? MR HATTINGH Thank you, Mr Chairman, I have no questions. NO QUESTIONS BY MR HATTINGH MR LAMEY No questions, Chairperson. NO QUESTIONS BY MR LAMEY MR RADITAPOLE No questions, Chairperson. NO QUESTIONS BY MR RADITAPOLE MR RADITAPOLE Chair, if I may, with respect, Mr Rautenbach may be here a bit later, however he has no difficulty with us continuing. CHAIRPERSON Will you put your name on record. MR RADITAPOLE ...(indistinct) Raditapole, Cheadle Thompson and Haysom. TAPE BLANK FOR A SECTION FURTHER CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MS LOCKHAT ... And then, can you just explain from there, did you just put it into brown paper? MR J F KOK No, I was not involved in the packaging. MS LOCKHAT That's fine. Thank you, Chairperson. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MS LOCKHAT MR LAX Sorry, what's happened to Mr Victor, we just wanted to make sure whether he might have any questions. MR BOOYENS Mr Victor indicate, Mr Chairman, that he would have no question as this witness is concern. MR LAX Okay, as long as that is on record. MR BOOYENS He is outside and so is Gen van Rensburg. MR LAX No, that's fine. WITNESS EXCUSED MR BOOYENS I then call Mr Kobus Kok, Chairperson.