amntrans AMNESTY HEARINGS 2000-03-14 PRETORIA 14 SIMON MAKOPE RADEBE AM7249/97 https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=54077&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/2000/200314pt.htm CHAIRPERSON Mr Radebe, which language would you prefer to use? MR RADEBE I'll speak Sesotho. CHAIRPERSON Very well. SIMON MAKOPE RADEBE (sworn states) CHAIRPERSON Please proceed, Mr Hugo. EXAMINATION BY MR HUGO Thank you, Mr Chairman, we indebted to you. Mr Radebe, you are the applicant in this matter, your application appears on page 349 and further of the bundle, is that correct? MR RADEBE That's correct. MR HUGO You went through the oath, do you confirm this again that this is a true version of what you remembered about what happened during that incident? MR RADEBE That's correct. MR HUGO In the supplementary application you gave an explanation of the political background and the reason why you got involved in operations like these, is that correct? MR RADEBE That is correct. MR HUGO Just for clarity's sake, you acted on the instructions of your Commanders and you thought that you were struggling against the terrorists at that stage, is that correct? MR RADEBE That is correct. MR HUGO And you then apply for amnesty for the offences that we will present to this Committee, is that correct? MR RADEBE That is correct, Chairperson. MR HUGO Thank you, Mr Chairman, that's the evidence. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR HUGO CHAIRPERSON Mr Lamey, have you got any questions? CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR LAMEY Thank you, Chairperson. Mr Radebe, I would just like to discuss one aspect. Have you been with Mr Ras or did you go with Mr Ras when they monitored the house? This is now long before the ...(intervention) CHAIRPERSON Mr Lamey, he says so in his application. MR RADEBE No, I wasn't with him. CHAIRPERSON What would be the point of the cross-examination? MR LAMEY Chairperson, I'm not sure the observation that he refers to refers to the period immediately before operation was launched, or whether it was some other time which Mr Ras has referred to. JUDGE KHAMPEPE Just how material is that evidence, Mr Lamey? I don't think ...(indistinct - no microphone) bearing in mind the arrangements that we came to in chambers with regard to the opportunity which is being given to Mr Radebe on compassionate grounds, to make this evidence. MR LAMEY Chairperson yes, I will perhaps deal with it with Mr Ras. As it pleases you, Chairperson. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR LAMEY CHAIRPERSON Mr Maribana. MR MARIBANA Thank you, Mr Chair, I've got no questions for the applicant. NO QUESTIONS BY MR MARIBANA MR JANSEN Jansen on record. Thank you, Mr Chair, no questions. NO QUESTIONS BY MR JANSEN MR NEL Thank you, Mr Chair. Christo Nel, I have no questions. NO QUESTIONS BY MR NEL MR VAN DER MERWE Thank you, Mr Chair. Francois van der Merwe, no questions. NO QUESTIONS BY MR VAN DER MERWE MR CORNELIUS Thank you, Mr Chair. Wim Cornelius, for applicant Vermeulen. I've got no questions. NO QUESTIONS BY MR CORNELIUS MS PATEL Thank you, I don't have any questions either. NO QUESTIONS BY MS PATEL ADV BOSMAN Thank you, Chairperson, I have no questions. JUDGE KHAMPEPE I have no questions for Mr Radebe. CHAIRPERSON Yes thank you, you are excused. MR HUGO Thank you, Mr Chairman. WITNESS EXCUSED