amntrans AMNESTY HEARINGS 2000-05-09 THOHOYANDOU 2 DANEIL TSHINYADZO MAUBA AM4169/96 https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=54171&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/2000/200509th.htm CHAIRPERSON Mr Mauba, what language would you prefer to talk? MR MAUBA Venda. DANEIL TSHINYADZO MAUBA (sworn states) EXAMINATION BY MR NDOU Thank you Mr Chairman. Mr Mauba, you are an applicant who is applying for amnesty and you heard the previous co-applicant, Mr Davhula, giving evidence and you have also filed an affidavit with the Committee. Do you confirm what is contained in that affidavit, is your evidence? MR MAUBA Yes, I confirm. MR NDOU I just want you to explain to the Committee as to what you did on the day when the deceased was killed, what is it that you did? MR MAUBA On the day on which we killed the deceased, on my arrival at the home of the deceased, I was one of the people who knocked the door so that the deceased could get out of the house. On knocking ... JUDGE DE JAGER Yes, you have set that out in paragraph 28. Is that correct? Could you show that to him? MR MAUBA Yes, it is correct. JUDGE DE JAGER And you have admitted your guilt to the offence in paragraph 29? MR MAUBA Yes, all that is in that affidavit, I am confirming that since I even signed and I have also read through this affidavit. MR NDOU Nothing further, Mr Chairman. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR NDOU CHAIRPERSON Mr van Rensburg? CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR VAN RENSBURG Thank you Mr Chairperson. I see in the two applications that you filed, to wit page 1 and 2 and page 4 you have given different dates of birth. Would you be so kind as to give us your correct date of birth please? MR MAUBA I was born in 1970, in June and that was on the 13th. MR VAN RENSBURG Which year? MR MAUBA 1970. MR VAN RENSBURG So when you wrote here 1972 in the form dated the 7th of April 1995, you made a mistake, is that correct? MR MAUBA Yes. MR VAN RENSBURG I suppose you also didn't make the connection that because the deceased was selling liquor at that house, that politicians are visiting that house to buy liquor? MR MAUBA No, it never came to my mind and I am sure that that is not true that they went there in order to buy some liquor. MR VAN RENSBURG Why do you say so? MR MAUBA It is because there in our village, shibeens were so many, but I have never seen them frequenting another shibeen, to prove that they were not going there for beers. MR VAN RENSBURG Pardon, I don't understand your answer, just repeat your answer. CHAIRPERSON What he is saying is that if they were drinking, if they were people who consumed liquor, from what I gained there, they would then be seen to be visiting many other shibeens, and not only one shibeen. Whether you accept that or not, is another matter. MR VAN RENSBURG I have no further questions, thank you Mr Chairperson. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR VAN RENSBURG CHAIRPERSON Mr Mapoma? MR MAPOMA I have no questions Chairperson, thank you. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MAPOMA MR NDOU Nothing further. NO RE-EXAMINATION BY MR NDOU CHAIRPERSON Thank you, you are excused. WITNESS EXCUSED MR NDOU I now call Victor Brian Mukheli.