amntrans AMNESTY HEARINGS 2000-07-06 PRETORIA 2 P J VAN DYK https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=54312&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/2000/200706pr.htm ON RESUMPTION CHAIRPERSON What language do you prefer to speak? MR VAN DYK Afrikaans, Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON Do you have any objection to taking the oath? P J VAN DYK (sworn states) CHAIRPERSON Please be seated. EXAMINATION BY MS VAN DER WALT Mr van Dyk, you are the third applicant and your application runs from page 25 to page 27, is that correct? MR VAN DYK Yes, Chairperson. MS VAN DER WALT And the incident, from page 28 to 29, and your political motivation is on page 30 to page 36 - 37. MR VAN DYK Correct. MS VAN DER WALT You've heard the evidence of Mr van Rensburg as well as Mr Rorich, do you agree with it as far as it relates to you? MR VAN DYK Yes, Chairperson. MS VAN DER WALT You heard Mr Rorich's evidence that Mr Hattingh, that his courage failed him when he had to plant the bomb at the wooden house and he gave the bomb to you to plant the bomb? MR VAN DYK That is correct. I wouldn't say that his courage failed him completely, I think perhaps he didn't want to carry on with the operation, but after we spoke we then together, both of us went to the wooden house. MS VAN DER WALT How did you know exactly to which house you should go? MR VAN DYK The premises were pointed out to me by Mr Rorich. MS VAN DER WALT You also agree that Mr van Rensburg, as he mentions on page 6 and 7, gave you the order to go along. MR VAN DYK Yes, Chairperson. MS VAN DER WALT Where were you stationed in that time? MR VAN DYK At Magaliesburg. MS VAN DER WALT Would you know where Mr Coetzee was stationed at that stage? MR VAN DYK I'm not sure if it was Middelburg or Vlakplaas. I think it was in 1980. I can't dispute that it might have been 1980, because it was a long time ago. MS VAN DER WALT You say you don't know whether he was in Middelburg or where? MR VAN DYK I'm not sure whether it was there or at Vlakplaas. MS VAN DER WALT Do you also ask for an amendment that the incident could have taken place in June 1980? MR VAN DYK Yes, those are the indications, so I will go along with that. MS VAN DER WALT And you're also asking the Honourable Committee to grant for conspiracy to kill. MR VAN DYK Yes, Chairperson. MS VAN DER WALT As well as for two charges of murder. MR VAN DYK That's correct. MS VAN DER WALT Did you later learn that a person and a child were killed? MR VAN DYK Yes, Chairperson. MS VAN DER WALT And malicious injury to property of the two houses. MR VAN DYK Yes, Chairperson. MS VAN DER WALT Obstructing the course of justice. MR VAN DYK Yes, Chairperson. MS VAN DER WALT And also conspiracy to cause an explosion. MR VAN DYK Yes, Chairperson. MS VAN DER WALT And possession of explosives. MR VAN DYK Yes, Chairperson. MS VAN DER WALT And any other offences which may flow from your actions. MR VAN DYK Yes, Chairperson. MS VAN DER WALT And also delictual liability. MR VAN DYK Yes, Chairperson. MS VAN DER WALT As the Honourable Committee pleases. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MS VAN DER WALT MR VICTOR I have no questions, thank you. NO QUESTIONS BY MR VICTOR MR VAN DER MERWE Thank you, no questions. NO QUESTIONS BY MR VAN DER MERWE MR PRINSLOO No questions. NO QUESTIONS BY MR PRINSLOO MS MAKHUBELE None. NO QUESTIONS BY MS MAKHUBELE ADV STEENKAMP No questions, thank you Mr Chairman. NO QUESTIONS BY ADV STEENKAMP CHAIRPERSON Thank you, you're excused. MR VAN DYK Thank you. WITNESS EXCUSED MR PRINSLOO Mr Hattingh is applicant number 4, the next witness.