amntrans AMNESTY HEARINGS 2000-07-06 PRETORIA 2 W A B HATTINGH AM5016/97 https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=54313&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/2000/200706pr.htm CHAIRPERSON Which language would you prefer to speak? MR HATTINGH I'd like to testify in Afrikaans please. CHAIRPERSON Do you have any objection to taking the oath? MR HATTINGH (sworn states) EXAMINATION BY MR PRINSLOO Thank you, Chairperson. Mr Hattingh, you are also an applicant in this matter and your application appears in the bundle from page 38, that's the formal part, and the incident is discussed on page 41 up to page 42, is that correct? MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO And the political motivation is set out on page 43 of the bundle. Now Mr Hattingh, you've heard the evidence of Mr van Rensburg, as well as the evidence of Mr Rorich and van Dyk in this matter, is that correct? MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO Do you agree with their evidence? MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO Insofar as it relates to you? MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO And you also heard that this incident took place in June of 1980 and the application refers to it as 1978, are you requesting the Committee to grant you an amendment so that that be changed to 1980? MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO You had an order to blow up the wooden house. MR DU TOIT That's correct. MR PRINSLOO And at the critical stage you indicated to Mr Rorich, your senior, that you didn't have the courage to go through with it. MR DU TOIT That's correct. MR PRINSLOO And the explosive device which you fashioned was then handed to Mr van Dyk, the previous witness. MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO Did you accompany him? MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO In that area, to the wooden house? MR DU TOIT Yes, I went with him to the wooden house. MR PRINSLOO Was the wooden house blown up by Mr van Dyk, in your presence? MR DU TOIT We planted or placed the explosive there and then moved away from the scene. MR PRINSLOO Did the explosion take place thereafter? MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO Mr Hattingh, did you associate yourself with such an explosion, that an explosion would take place at the wooden house after the device was handed over to Mr van Dyk? MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO And you are therefore applying for amnesty for conspiracy to commit murder. MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO For two charges of murder. MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO And after the incident you also learnt that a child as well as one other person had been killed in these two houses respectively? MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO And you're also applying for amnesty for a conspiracy to malicious injury to property, to these two homes. MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO And also for a conspiracy to cause an explosion. MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO And for defeating the ends of justice. MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO You're also asking the Honourable Committee for amnesty for any other offence which might be a competent verdict on the evidence before us. MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO You're also applying for amnesty for any delictual liability, in other words, civil liability. MR DU TOIT Yes, Chairperson. MR PRINSLOO Thank you, Chairperson, no further evidence. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR PRINSLOO MR VICTOR I have no questions, thank you. NO QUESTIONS BY MR VICTOR MR VAN DER MERWE No questions, thank you Chair. NO QUESTIONS BY MR VAN DER MERWE MS VAN DER WALT No questions. NO QUESTIONS BY MS VAN DER WALT MS MAKHUBELE None. NO QUESTIONS BY MS MAKHUBELE ADV STEENKAMP No questions, Mr Chairman. NO QUESTIONS BY ADV STEENKAMP CHAIRPERSON Thank you. MR DU TOIT Thank you, Chairperson. WITNESS EXCUSED MR VAN DER MERWE Chairperson, the next witness is Mr Wybrand Andreas Lodewikus du Toit and he's going to testify in Afrikaans.