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	<type>AMNESTY HEARINGS</type>
	<startdate>2000-07-25</startdate>
	<location>PRETORIA</location>
	<day>5</day>
	<names>L MAGAJANA</names>
	<case>AM 7399/97</case>
	<matter>APPLICATION WITHDRAWN</matter>
					<url>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=54371&amp;t=&amp;tab=hearings</url>
	<originalhtml>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/2000/200725pt.htm</originalhtml>
		<lines count="14">
		<line number="1">
			<speaker>MR MAPOMA</speaker>
			<text>The next matter, Chairperson, will be that of Magajana.</text>
		</line>
		<line number="2">
			<speaker>JUDGE DE JAGER</speaker>
			<text>That&#039;s number?</text>
		</line>
		<line number="3">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Number 20.</text>
		</line>
		<line number="4">
			<speaker>MR KOOPEDI</speaker>
			<text>I believe Judge de Jager already knows where I&#039;m going.  He saw me fold my files Chairperson.  I have been instructed to withdraw this application.</text>
		</line>
		<line number="5">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>You&#039;re withdrawing that?</text>
		</line>
		<line number="6">
			<speaker>MR KOOPEDI</speaker>
			<text>That&#039;s right, Chairperson.</text>
		</line>
		<line number="7">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Very well.</text>
		</line>
		<line number="8">
			<speaker>MR KOOPEDI</speaker>
			<text>My instruction goes further than a withdrawal Chairperson, the would-have-been applicant has asked me to ask this Committee to recommend that Mr Mbatha is indeed a victim.</text>
		</line>
		<line number="9">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Mr Who is a victim?</text>
		</line>
		<line number="10">
			<speaker>MR KOOPEDI</speaker>
			<text>Mr Mbatha is a victim.</text>
		</line>
		<line number="11">
			<speaker>MR MAPOMA</speaker>
			<text>David Mbatha, Chairperson, he is the person who is from KwaZulu Natal.</text>
		</line>
		<line number="12">
			<speaker>JUDGE DE JAGER</speaker>
			<text>We could declare him a victim if the offence or delict was associated with a political objective.  Can you people assure us of that supposition?</text>
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		<line number="13">
			<speaker>MR KOOPEDI</speaker>
			<text>That is indeed so, Chairperson.  On the papers that are before you, the would-have-been applicant was a member of the ANC and it&#039;s Umkhonto weSizwe, belonged to the Security Department and in brief, Mr Mbatha was arrested and tortured by the Security Department.</text>
		</line>
		<line number="14">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Right.  This matter, that is matter P on our roll, number 20, the application of Mr L Magajana is withdrawn at the request of the applicant by his legal representative and we further make a finding based both on what is contained in the papers and on what has been said by the applicant and that is that Mr David Mbatha is a victim in terms of the Act and we refer him accordingly to the Rehabilitation Committee.</text>
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