amntrans AMNESTY HEARINGS 2000-08-03 JOHANNESBURG 4 MOTLATSI KAKOLE, NDEMA SALIWA AM6404/97 POSTPONEMENT https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=54395&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/2000/200803jb.htm MS MTANGA The next application, it's that of Motlatsi Kakole and Ndema Saliwa. CHAIRPERSON Yes, is that the bundle marked G, Ms Mtanga? MS MTANGA Yes Chairperson, that is so. CHAIRPERSON And are you saying that the first application, that of Mr Dlamini, has that been withdrawn? MS MTANGA Yes Chairperson, when this matter was forwarded to this hearing we were informed that Dlamini had withdrawn his application. So we won't be hearing it here. CHAIRPERSON So it's only Kakole and Saliwa? MS MTANGA Yes. CHAIRPERSON Very well and we are with you. Yes, the applications that are presently before us are those of Motlatsi Kakole, amnesty reference AM 6315/97 and Ndema Saliwa, amnesty reference AM6404/97. For the record, on behalf of the applicants? MR KOOPEDI On behalf of the applicants, Chairperson, my name is Brian Koopedi. Thank you. CHAIRPERSON Thank you Mr Koopedi. Mr Mavundla, are you in this one? Can you just get a proper microphone for Mr Mavundla? MR MAVUNDLA Thank you Mr Chairperson. I'm representing the family of the deceased, that's Ms Nomvula Makutu and the child. Thank you Mr Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON Thank you Mr Mavundla. And the Leader of Evidence? MS MTANGA Thank you Chairperson, I'm Lulama Mtanga, Evidence Leader. CHAIRPERSON Thank you Ms Mtanga. Yes Mr Koopedi? MR KOOPEDI ADDRESSES Thank you Chairperson. I will confirm the fact that there would have been a first applicant in this matter, Mr Dlamini. His application is no more, he withdrew this application before the other Panel in Pretoria, Chairperson. Now with regards to the remaining two applicants, Chairperson, I've been instructed to apply for a postponement of the matter, Chairperson, with a view of withdrawing the application. Chairperson, I may as well add the applicants in the matter together with the victims and the relatives of the victims are all members of the same political organisation. They have decided that this matter should not at least at this stage proceed before the Amnesty Committee and that the matter has been taken up by them and their political leaders so my instruction was to come and ask for a postponement on this matter and that no fixed date should be put on. I must say, Chairperson, I have a very strong belief that after those meetings this application will be withdrawn, it will not need to be re-enrolled again. And I must say this matter has also been discussed with Mr Mavundla. Thank you Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON Thank you Mr Koopedi. Mr Mavundla what is the ...(inaudible)? MR MAVUNDLA Thank you Chairperson, I do confirm we have no objection to the application being postponed. CHAIRPERSON Thank you Mr Mavundla. Ms Mtanga? MS MTANGA Chairperson, I also do not object to the postponement. CHAIRPERSON Thank you ma'am. Yes, having heard Mr Koopedi on behalf of the remaining two applicants Messrs Kakole and Saliwa and noting the fact that neither Mr Mavundla nor Ms Mtanga has an objection, the application to have these two amnesty applications postponed is granted. In the circumstances the matters are postponed to a date to be arranged. Thank you. What is next Ms Mtanga? MS MTANGA Chairperson, that's all we have on our roll for today. CHAIRPERSON And on the roll generally for this session? MS MTANGA The application of Simon Ngubeni will be heard tomorrow. CHAIRPERSON And what are the prospects there, does it look like everything is on track? MS MTANGA Everything is on track, Chairperson, it will go on as scheduled. CHAIRPERSON And hopefully would be in a position to be commenced with at 9 o'clock in the morning? MS MTANGA That will be suitable, Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON Very well. Well, Mr Koopedi and Mr Mavundla, I assume that this concludes your commitments here? Well we thank you for your assistance and you would be excused if you so wish. That takes care of the matters that we had on the roll for today. There is one remaining matter that we will be dealing with as per the hearing schedule tomorrow and for that purpose we will adjourn the proceedings and recommence in this venue tomorrow morning at 9 o'clock. We're adjourned. COMMITTEE ADJOURNS