amntrans AMNESTY HEARINGS 2000-08-15 PRETORIA 2 IZAK DANIEL BOSCH AM3765/96 https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=54404&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/2000/200815pt.htm IZAK DANIEL BOSCH (sworn states) CHAIRPERSON Thank you, Advocate Bosman. Mr Lamey? EXAMINATION BY MR LAMEY Thank you, Chairperson. Mr Bosch, you also submitted an initial application and you signed it on the prescribed form which you filled in in 1996, is that correct? MR BOSCH Yes. MR LAMEY Then there's a typed annexure which we find from page 64, and then mention is made briefly in paragraph 11.1 on page 66, to your involvement in the abduction of one, Mr Msibi, is that correct? MR BOSCH That's correct, Mr Chairperson. MR LAMEY And then later when you got legal representation supplementary affidavits were made, that we can find on page 72 up until page 74. MR BOSCH That is correct. MR LAMEY Is it true that at a certain stage when you made your supplementary statements and you consulted with your legal representative, Mr Rossouw, that you did have input of Mr Nortje's affidavit at that stage? MR BOSCH Yes. MR LAMEY You also associated yourself with the contents thereof and you also referred to it in your amnesty application, is that correct? MR BOSCH That's correct, Mr Chairperson. MR LAMEY You also went further and said that you do indeed recall that the handler of Mr Msibi was W/O Malaza, is that correct? ...(transcriber's interpretation) MR BOSCH That is correct, Mr Chairperson. MR LAMEY Just another aspect, in paragraph 3 on page 73 of the bundle you say "My involvement in the operation was that I was in the vehicle together with Willie Nortje when the arrest of Malaza was executed and the handler was arrested and abducted." Just that first sentence, after consultation you referred to it and you said that that's wrong and that is not the arrest of Malaza and you would like that to be rectified, is that correct? MR BOSCH That's correct, Mr Chairperson. MR LAMEY It is also true that Mr Msibi who was the handler of Mr Malaza, according to your knowledge or according to your information, was not arrested, he was grabbed and he was abducted out of Swaziland, is that correct? ...(transcriber's interpretation) MR BOSCH That's correct, Mr Chairperson. MR LAMEY You also now had the opportunity to listen to the evidence of Mr Nortje, is that correct? MR BOSCH That's correct, Chairperson. MR LAMEY Is it also correct that you were with him in the vehicle in Swaziland and you also confirm what he said concerning your participation in this? MR BOSCH That's correct, Chairperson, as well as what Mr McCarter said, that I was the one who opened the Cruiser's doors. MR LAMEY You also listened to the evidence of Mr de Kock, is that correct? MR BOSCH That is correct, yes. MR LAMEY And you also agree with his evidence? MR BOSCH Yes, I do agree with Mr de Kock and also with what Mr de Kock said at the end of the evidence. What he said to the family, I also agree with that. MR LAMEY I will not deal with that now, but you also agree with the summary of what Mr de Kock testified about, is that correct? MR BOSCH That is correct. MR LAMEY Chairperson, I don't know whether you want me to lead anything further, that is then the evidence of Mr Bosch. CHAIRPERSON I'm in your hands, if you feel you have covered everything, I won't interfere with that. MR LAMEY I've gone a bit short on Mr Bosch, because I think a lot of it overlaps actually with Mr Nortje and he was actually in the same position and the same vehicle as Mr Nortje. CHAIRPERSON I appreciated that, thank you, Mr Lamey. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR LAMEY CHAIRPERSON Mr Hugo? MR HUGO No questions, thank you Mr Chairman. NO QUESTIONS BY MR HUGO CHAIRPERSON: Mr Visser? MR VISSER No questions, thank you Chairperson. NO QUESTIONS BY MR VISSER CHAIRPERSON Mr Cornelius? MR CORNELIUS No questions, thank you, Mr Chair. NO QUESTIONS BY MR CORNELIUS CHAIRPERSON Mr Prinsloo? MR PRINSLOO No questions, thank you Mr Chairperson. NO QUESTIONS BY MR PRINSLOO CHAIRPERSON Ms van der Walt? MS VAN DER WALT No questions, thank you. CHAIRPERSON Mr Nel? MR NEL I've got no questions, thank you, Sir. NO QUESTIONS BY MR NEL CHAIRPERSON Mr Makondo? MR MAKONDO No questions, Chairperson, thank you. NO QUESTIONS BY MR MAKONDO CHAIRPERSON Ms Patel? MS PATEL No questions, thank you Honourable Chairperson. NO QUESTIONS BY MS PATEL CHAIRPERSON Advocate Bosman? ADV BOSMAN No questions, thank you. CHAIRPERSON Advocate Sandi? ADV SANDI No questions, thank you Chair. CHAIRPERSON Thank you, Mr Bosch, you are excused. MR BOSCH Thank you, Mr Chair. WITNESS EXCUSED CHAIRPERSON Mr Cornelius, I think ...(indistinct - no microphone) MR CORNELIUS That is correct, thank you, Sir.