amntrans AMNESTY HEARINGS 2000-09-04 DURBAN 1 DHANPAL NAIDOO AM4007/96 https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=54455&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/amntrans/2000/200904db.htm MR MOERANE With Chairperson's permission I now call to the stand Mr Dhanpal Naidoo. DHANPAL NAIDOO (sworn states) EXAMINATION BY MR NAIDOO Thank you Chairperson. Mr Naidoo, are you also called Ricky? MR NAIDOO That is correct. MR MOERANE MR NAIDOO That is correct. MR MOERANE Were you part of the same unit as Mr Derek Naidoo? MR NAIDOO No Sir. MR MOERANE You were not. Did you belong to any unit? MR NAIDOO Yes I was commander of a unit consisting of myself, Patrick Lerang who is now deceased and Phila Ndwandwe who subsequently was murdered by the Security Forces. MR MOERANE Yes. And who was your commander? MR NAIDOO Veejay Ramlakan. MR MOERANE That is Dr Ramlakan who applied for amnesty earlier today? MR NAIDOO That is correct. MR MOERANE Do you associate yourself with the motives deposed to by Dr Ramlakan? MR NAIDOO Yes. MR MOERANE And you also subscribe to the reasons that he gave for the selection of the two targets? MR NAIDOO That is correct. MR MOERANE With regard to Mr Rajbansi, did you have any personal grudge against him, did you bear him any ill will or spite? MR NAIDOO Not at all. MR MOERANE Did you know him personally? MR NAIDOO No Sir. MR MOERANE What was your role in the Magistrate's Court incident? MR NAIDOO My role in my unit and reporting to my commander Veejay Ramlakan was in the capacity of logistics and support. I'd agreed to meet with them at a point in Chatsworth where I delivered a parcel to him which was comprising explosives. MR MOERANE So you provided the explosive device? MR NAIDOO To Veejay Ramlakan, yes. MR MOERANE MR NAIDOO Similar to the Chatsworth Court experience, I'd met Veejay Ramlakan and delivered a similar parcel to him. MR MOERANE Did you derive any financial or material benefit from these two actions or two incidents? MR NAIDOO Definitely not. MR MOERANE You were not convicted of these offences? MR NAIDOO No. MR MOERANE Yes. That is the evidence, Chairperson. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MOERANE CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MS CAMBANIS Thank you Chairperson. You too, did you have any contact with the applicant Raymond Lalla in relation to these events for which you apply? MR NAIDOO Not at all. MS CAMBANIS Thank you Chairperson. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MS CAMBANIS MS MOHAMED I have no questions. NO QUESTIONS BY MS MOHAMED CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR MAPOMA What was your involvement, if any, in the bombing of the Chatsworth Magistrate's Court? MR MAPOMA I delivered a parcel to Veejay Ramlakan as I indicated earlier, that was as far as I was aware of the bomb. MR MAPOMA Were you aware that it was going to be used in that operation? MR NAIDOO Not at that point in time, no. MR MAPOMA Did you later learn then that it was in fact used in that operation? MR NAIDOO It was much later after the processes of Veejay Ramlakan's trial. MR MAPOMA Thank you Chairperson, no further questions. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MAPOMA MR LAX At the time you handed him both these two parcels, were you aware that he was going to use them or other cadres might use them to cause some explosion or other? MR NAIDOO As Veejay Ramlakan indicated earlier to the Commission, it was simply an instruction to bring the parcel to him. I didn't question my orders. MR LAX Yes, I'm not asking whether you questioned your orders, but if you're an average human being of average intelligence and someone says to you bring me a limpet mine, to me it would seem pretty obvious that that limpet mine would then be used somewhere? MR NAIDOO Sure. MR LAX And you must have foreseen that? MR NAIDOO It would have been in the nature of our operations. MR LAX Precisely. Thank you Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON Were these limpet mines that you delivered? MR NAIDOO Sorry, Sir? CHAIRPERSON Were they limpet mines that you delivered? MR NAIDOO Yes that is correct. MR LAX Sorry, just one other thing. Where did you get them from? MR NAIDOO It was from the place that where I resided. MR LAX So you were in charge of ordinance? MR NAIDOO Yes, logistics and supply. MR LAX Yes. CHAIRPERSON Well where did they come from? MR NAIDOO From Veejay Ramlakan. We shared the residence together. CHAIRPERSON Did he provide the limpet mines and you stored them? MR NAIDOO Yes. MR SIBANYONI So it would appear you acted like you were a courier? MR NAIDOO That is correct. MR SIBANYONI Thank you Mr Chairperson. RE-EXAMINATION BY MR MOERANE Did you have any dealings with Mr Raymond Metheraj? MR NAIDOO Not directly. MR MOERANE Not directly, I see. I have no further questions. CHAIRPERSON Sorry, any dealings with who? MR MOERANE Mr Raymond Metheraj Saclou. Thank you, may the witness be excused? Thank you. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MOERANE WITNESS EXCUSED