hrvtrans HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS 1996-10-30 ALEXANDRA 3 ALINA VILKAZI https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=54941&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/alex/vilakazi.htm CHAIRPERSON Good afternoon, Mrs Vilakazi. I am very pleased that you could come. Can you hear me, is that all right? MRS VILAKAZI Yes. CHAIRPERSON Before you start giving your evidence, I would like to ask if you could take the oath. ALINA VILAKAZI (Duly sworn, states). CHAIRPERSON I will ask Yasmin Sooka, the Commissioner, to lead your evidence. Thank you. MS SOOKA Welcome, Mamma, to the Commission. Mamma, tell me about your son, Abraham, what did he do before this incident happened to him. Tell me a little bit about him and then tell me about what you know about what happened. MRS VILAKAZI He was working. I went to the farm. When I came back I found that he was shot and that he was in hospital. He stayed in hospital for a long time and I thought he would recover but he died later on. He left a son behind who was seven years old. MS SOOKA What did your son do and how old was he at the time that he was shot? MRS VILAKAZI I don't know. I wasn't here. When I arrived I found him in hospital. What I know is that he was working at one of the firms in town. MS SOOKA Do you know who shot him? ALEXANDRA HEARING TRC/GAUTENG 2 MRS VILAKAZI MRS VILAKAZI I don't know. I was told he was shot by police. MS SOOKA Do you know where he had been shot, Mamma? MRS VILAKAZI They said he was shot at Malborem. MS SOOKA Mamma, why do you think he was shot by the police? Did somebody tell you that? MRS VILAKAZI Nobody told me as to why he was shot, even himself in hospital he couldn't speak, so he couldn't tell as to what happened. I was surprised, because when I left him he was well. MS SOOKA After he died was there any court case? MRS VILAKAZI No. MS SOOKA Mamma, was your son involved in any political organisations? MRS VILAKAZI No, he wast a very good child, well-behaved and he wasn't involved in political activities. MS SOOKA Was anybody else shot at the same time as your son was shot? Do you know? MRS VILAKAZI I don't know, I just discovered that he was shot. I don't know anything more about his friends. MS SOOKA Is there anything else you would like to tell the Commission before you finish your evidence? MRS VILAKAZI No, I have nothing, except what I have said. MS MKHIZE Listen carefully to me. I know that you were not there when this incident occurred. However, if any great event happens, people normally talk about it. Didn't you hear from rumours as to finding a clue what happened at the time? This is going to help us in investigating the case. MRS VILAKAZI I didn't find any clue or hear any rumours as to why he was shot. I tried to call his friend and ask him as to what happened. He didn't come and even when I went to ALEXANDRA HEARING TRC/GAUTENG 3 MRS VILAKAZI the funeral the friend didn't come. MS MKHIZE This friend, is he a neighbour? MRS VILAKAZI He stayed in the township, but after he discovered that my son was killed, he tried to distance himself from us, so we couldn't reach him. MS MKHIZE At the time when you buried your son, the people who came to comfort you, were they comrades? MRS VILAKAZI It was our family, his friends and friends of my children. MS MKHIZE The other friends which you mentioned, you said they came to the funeral. After the funeral didn't you hear any rumours about the incident? MRS VILAKAZI I didn't hear anything, because they don't want to tell me the truth as to what happened. MS MKHIZE Thank you. MS SEROKE These friends, are they still around, many of his friends? MRS VILAKAZI Yes, two of them died. MS SEROKE The one that you mentioned, is he still around? MRS VILAKAZI No, he is not, he passed away. There were two friends, the one of them he was working with and the other was working somewhere else. MS SEROKE Thank you. CHAIRPERSON The rest of your family, what other children do you have? MRS VILAKAZI I had four sons, one died, the one I am talking about. I am left with four sons and have three daughters. CHAIRPERSON Is your husband still with you? MRS VILAKAZI My husband is still alive and we are staying together with our grandchildren and our children. ALEXANDRA HEARING TRC/GAUTENG 4 MRS VILAKAZI CHAIRPERSON What we try and do in the Commission is to try and bring some light to the story. But I think one of the most difficult things for any of us to come to terms with, is not knowing. That is probably one of the most difficult things to realise, is to feel the grief, to know that someone has died, and not to know why, not to know the circumstances of why they have died. We feel very much ... MRS VILAKAZI Can you please repeat the question? I don't know what you mean? Do you mean the one who died? CHAIRPERSON (Indistinct - microphone not switched on) ... what we will try and do as a Commission and how we feel. Because I think all of us feel a great sense of grief with you, but a sense also of frustration, because we can't help. We can't offer you any consolation in your grief. Although we can understand it very much, because we have heard stories like this, and we can understand particularly how difficult it is when you don't know actually what happened. We salute you for your strength and for your fortitude and thank you very much for coming to tell your story, because it tells what was happening, it tells a story of what happened here in those days not very long ago. Where we can help we will try as much as we can to help, and we will come back to you with that. Thank you very much for coming. Thank you. ALEXANDRA HEARING TRC/GAUTENG