hrvtrans ```` ```` TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION, HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS 1996-02-10 CRADOCK 1 NOMIGHT REGINA BOOYSE https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=54993&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/cradock/booyse.htm REVD FINCA: Mrs Nomight Booyse, we welcome you here today at the Commission. We realise that you are in great pain. Would you please endure as we would be asking you a few questions. Reverend Xundu will swear you in and then Mr Ntsiki Sandi will ask you a few questions on behalf of the Commission. REVD XUNDU Thank you Mr Chairperson. NOMIGHT REGINA BOOYSE (sworn states) REVD XUNDU Thank you Ma'am. MR SANDI Thank you Mr Chairperson. Mrs Booyse, let me greet you this afternoon. How are you doing? Are you all right? MRS BOOYSE Yes, in God's mercy we will. MR SANDI Let's start. As I understand according to your statement, you are going to talk about your grandson, Vuyani who was shot at Jansenville in 1986? Let me just make sure about your name Mrs Booyse. Is your full name Nomight Regina Nonqele Booyse? Is that so? MRS BOOYSE Yes, sir. MR SANDI I'll hand over to you Mrs Booyse so that you can tell us what happened to Vuyani. MRS BOOYSE My grandson as he was leaving home, he requested if he could go to my cousin's place, Mlondi. It is not too far from my own house. Mlondi's house faces my back yard. I can see Mlondi's house from my own house. CRADOCK HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE 2 NR BOOYSE I allowed him to go, I then continued with my own work at home. As I was in the kitchen with house chores, I heard steps running towards my house calling out saying that Vuyani has been shot. I had heard the sound, but I did not take it to heart. I got out of the house, he was not shot too far from the house. As I walked out of my gate, I saw him laying on the ground on his stomach, face down. Three men then came out, telling me that he was shot by Vuyani Jonasi. MR SANDI ; Is it the same Vuyani Jonasi that was referred to in the previous testimony? MRS BOOYSE Yes, it is. MR SANDI Your grandson, Vuyani, how old was he when he got shot? MRS BOOYSE I think he was 18 or 19 years of age, I am not sure. MR SANDI Therefor he was quite young? MRS BOOYSE Yes, he was young. MR SANDI You say that this happened in the evening? MRS BOOYSE It was the time when I would close my gate, it was not too late at night, it was early evening. MR SANDI You say that your cousin's house that Vuyani had gone to, he used to go to regularly? MRS BOOYSE Vuyani was friends with my cousin's children. MR SANDI What I am saying is as you were related, staying close to each other, the children would regularly visit each other? MRS BOOYSE Yes, although they were girls, they would come to my house. That is why Vuyani would also go to their house to. CRADOCK HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE 3 NR BOOYSE MR SANDI Was Vuyani taken to hospital after he had been shot? What happened? MRS BOOYSE When I went towards Vuyani I was very emotional and in deep pain. I don't know who took him from where he had been shot, I was not conscious at the time of what was happening around me. MR SANDI As you hear from the community, why did Vuyani Jonasi shoot your grandson? MRS BOOYSE I never did hear of a reason why he shot my grandson. But this one time I was with my grandson going to town and they were driving in their car passed us, and then Vuyani Jonasi said to my grandson that one day he would get him. I did not like that. I went to the office and I reported this. MR SANDI Who was Vuyani Jonasi with? MRS BOOYSE He was with other policemen. MR SANDI And then as he was driving passed, he swore that he would get him one day? MRS BOOYSE Yes, it is so. MR SANDI ; Did you ask your grandson why Vuyani was swearing against him? MRS BOOYSE He said he had no idea, he would also like to find out what Vuyani Jonasi had against him. MR SANDI According to your statement you say that you took a step as your grandson was shot? MRS BOOYSE Yes, I went to the police to lay charges against Vuyani Jonasi. The police that was in charge said that there is a bullet that shot at a stone, they would wait for the stone to be brought to the charge office for them to continue with the case. CRADOCK HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE 4 NR BOOYSE MR SANDI What was the policeman's name? MRS BOOYSE I don't know. MR SANDI ; Was he a Station Commander? MRS BOOYSE I am not sure, but he was in charge. He is the one who said he would wait for the stone. MR SANDI Did he take a statement as you were talking? MRS BOOYSE No, he did not. MR SANDI Did he look into records? MRS BOOYSE No, he did not. He just said that we must wait for the stone. MR SANDI ; Did he say you must come back? MRS BOOYSE I would go back regularly and they kept on saying that the stone had not arrived. MR SANDI Did you go to Gerber time and time again and he would not open any docket or write any statement? MRS BOOYSE Yes, it is so. MR SANDI The last time when you were speaking to Mr Gerber, what was the conclusion? What did he say about this matter? MRS BOOYSE There was no conclusive evidence as such he said that he had. MR SANDI You say that the police did not look after you well, they did not follow your cases as they should have? MRS BOOYSE The police did not look after us as they should have. They did not care. MR SANDI Did you hear the lady that was talking here in the morning from Venterstad, she said that the police from Venterstad were the law themselves. Was it the case at Jansenville? MRS BOOYSE The police had no decorum. I myself had been kicked out by the police from Jansenville. MR SANDI They did whatever they wanted to, they feared CRADOCK HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE 5 NR BOOYSE nothing? They did not fear the law for they were the law themselves? MRS BOOYSE Sir, what I would like to say is that I thank the Lord for having gathered us here today with people like you to find out our problems. I thought that my son's case has disappeared in thin air, but today I am able to testify. MR SANDI In conclusion Ma'am, the day of the funeral - you say that there were problems. MRS BOOYSE The funeral itself was filled with police. They were all around the house. The Reverend Mahlinza was handling the funeral. When we were coming from the graveyard, there were police vans everywhere. We could not do things the normal way. They were in caspers actually on the bridge, with huge guns in their hands. MR SANDI The day before the funeral, did the police come to your house? MRS BOOYSE I can't remember whether they did come to the house or not, that week. MR SANDI On the day of the funeral, did the police respect the members of the family? MRS BOOYSE They had no respect for anyone. The stopped people from coming to the funeral. MR SANDI ; How did you feel at home considering that the police continued to ill-treat you even after your grandson had passed away? MRS BOOYSE Our hearts were bleeding. MR SANDI Let us conclude Ma'am. This police who did unheard of things, cruel things, if they were present here today, what would you say to them? MRS BOOYSE My grandson was shot, what I don't understand CRADOCK HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE 6 NR BOOYSE is that there was no chaos as such in the township, it was quiet, it was peaceful, but they shot him. I want to know why. MR SANDI Thank you very much Mrs Booyse. Do you have any requests before I hand over to the Chairperson? MRS BOOYSE I have no husband sir, and I was bringing up this child on my own. He would have temporary jobs and he would give me the money for support. This child would have been my source of help today. If the Government can do anything to help me, then please, I request that I be helped. MR SANDI Thank you Mrs Booyse. Mr Chairperson, I hand over the witness to you. REVD FINCA Mrs Booyse, I just have one question. Perhaps you had already answered this question and I missed it. Was there a court case, did you report this to the Magistrate to lay charges on the perpetrators? MRS BOOYSE Yes, I did report the case and the policeman said he is waiting for the stone. I could not continue. I tried to get his Death Certificate, then I was told to pay R6-00 and they gave me the Death Certificate. They sent the Death Certificate to me. I would go to them, sorry, they were actually supposed to send the Death Certificate to me, they promised to send it, but they never did. I continued to go. Vuyani was buried there, Vuyani was killed there, they should have given me the Death Certificate. I then went to the police station requesting the Death Certificate. They said I must go to Uitenhage. I said no, the Uitenhage office said I must get it from you. They referred to certain records of theirs. There were two CRADOCK HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE 7 NR BOOYSE letters, one from the Magistrate, they gave me these two papers and they said I must put them in an envelope and post them. I then went to the Magistrate's office and asked them to photocopy for me these two pages. They then said I must put this envelope in the mail. I took the copies of these pages, I gave it to a teacher, Sithole, telling her what happened. I gave these two pages and a letter that they wrote me, that they cannot find the Death Certificate, I gave these three documents to the teacher. Up to this day I did not get the Death Certificate. REVD FINCA Thank you Mrs Booyse. As you came up the stairs, you were very emotional. Thank you for gathering strength and give us the details that you could about your grandson, Vuyani. Thank you as well that as an elderly lady you went from office to office endeavouring to solve this problem, and you did not get much respect or help. You have showed us how the police did not care about the death of your grandson. Sidney Mofomade, if he is listening on radio perhaps, we hope that he listened to your story. We hope that he realises how much work is to be done to discipline and educate the police. If they are going to continue being policemen, there is a lot that needs to be done. They need to be trained again so that they do their job properly so that they are able to handle people properly. Thank you Ma'am. We are going to wait for the documents that you have said you have sent to us. Perhaps the teacher that you gave the documents to, can send those documents to us. Thank you Ma'am.