hrvtrans HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS 1997-04-09 GRAHAMSTOWN 3 BUYISWA M. CEKISANI https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55115&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/gtown/cekisani.htm CHAIRPERSON: We will now call Buyiswa Margaret Cekisani. REVD XUNDU Chairperson, may I swear the witness in please? BUYISWA MARGARET CEKISANI (sworn states) REVD XUNDU We would like the briefer to please help you with the headphones because you are going to be facilitated by Mrs June Crichton. MS CRICHTON Good afternoon Ms Cekisani. MS CEKISANI Good afternoon. MS CRICHTON I am going to take you through the first part of your story and ask you just to confirm that what I am saying is correct and then I want you to focus on the torture that you experienced at the hands of the police who stopped your car. So can I ask you first of all were you 26 years of age at the time that this happened? MS CEKISANI Yes. MS CRICHTON And you were working at the time? MS CEKISANI Yes, I was working. MS CRICHTON Were you affiliated to any political organisation? MS CEKISANI Yes, I was, the ANC. MS CRICHTON And before you begin to tell us about what happened on that day to you as you returned from your holiday, would you tell us now whether you knew the people who stopped you, whether they were known to you personally? MS CEKISANI No, I did not know them. MS CRICHTON All right, would you then continue and tell us exactly what happened from the moment the car was stopped? MS CEKISANI After the car stopped where we were standing, we encountered the police in two caspers and also a private car with registration number CCN. We were taken out of the car in which I was and thereafter we were asked for letters of permission to walk around at night and I said that I did not know that it was necessary for us to have letters to move around at night because I was from a holiday in Hogsback. We were taken out and the people of the car were taken away and myself and another boy were assaulted by the police and I said to them I did not know anything about permission because I had just come back. We were assaulted with batons, we were tramped and they kicked my teeth out and I was bleeding through my ears and my nose. MS CRICHTON Did they use anything from the car, did they actually take anything from the car and put it on your body? MS CEKISANI Yes, a rope was used, ropes were taken or leads were taken and attached to the car batteries and attached to my ears and electric shocks were executed on me and I was then put in the casper. MS CRICHTON When that happened to you, what happened to your ears, what was the result to your ears? MS CEKISANI I had difficulty in hearing and at the police station some fluid came out of my ears and my nose was bleeding as well. MS CRICHTON Then you were taken to the prison, to Rooi Hell is that the prison in Port Elizabeth? MS CEKISANI We were taken at approximately one o'clock to the holding cells in Fort Beaufort and at approximately six o'clock, we were taken to the prison in Fort Beaufort where we spent the weekend, being the Saturday, the Sunday and the Monday. On Tuesday at approximately 7 am. we were loaded into a van and told we were being taken to the prison in Port Elizabeth. I refused and the people that were with me, asked me to cooperate. I had to go with them. We were taken to Port Elizabeth. When we were here in Grahamstown, we were dropped off at the police station and told to go and relieve ourselves in the toilet and I think we must have left here at about two o'clock in the afternoon and we went to Port Elizabeth. MS CRICHTON Ms Cekisani, I am going to interrupt you here and just ask you now to tell me who was in the car with you? Who were these others with you? MS CEKISANI Mrs Qina, Mrs Williams and several others, even Mrs Ngece. Mrs Ngece who was a teacher. There were many of them, we were just thrown into the van, into the casper. MS CRICHTON And when you got to the other end and in fact before you got to the other end, had you had any medical treatment at all? MS CEKISANI In Port Elizabeth? MS CRICHTON Even before that and in Port Elizabeth as well? MS CEKISANI A Doctor by the name of Dr Botha came to the prison because I was very ill and I was taken out at approximately seven o'clock. This Doctor came and examined me. I was swollen and I had bruise marks all over my body. The Doctor gave me two Panado's and which I took and then I was put in a cell by myself. MS CRICHTON These people, I am just going to go back to the beginning when the car was stopped and the people who stopped you, you said you didn't know them at all. But later on in your statement you talk about them having been neighbours, now did you not recognise them at all, the ones that stopped the car? MS CEKISANI I did not know them, even the policemen that was there, I knew as someone that was in our area, I did not know him by name. But when I got home, I described him saying that I knew the policeman who stayed about four houses from home, that he was present when I was assaulted by the police and that he was present. His name was Sqila. I mentioned his name, I said that I had seen him. MS CRICHTON And now it says here in your statement that in 1995 you went to the Fort Beaufort police station and made a statement, is that date correct? MS CEKISANI Yes, I did go and submit a statement, but no investigation followed. MS CRICHTON Can you tell us why you waited so long to make that statement? MS CEKISANI We were told after we were injured that we are going to be locked up, that our statements won't be taken and that is why I did not submit a statement at that time. MS CRICHTON What is your health like now Mrs Cekisani? MS CEKISANI I am still ill and I am dependent on my mother. MS CRICHTON You have come here with expectations from the Commission, what are they? MS CEKISANI I was wanting to ask the Truth Commission to assist me with my children. MS CRICHTON Just one last point of clarity, you haven't said, but was there no court case at all about this, that this man Sqila never appeared in court as far as you know? MS CEKISANI No, they never went to court. MS CRICHTON Is there anything further you wish to say? Is there anything further you want to say? MS CEKISANI Yes, there is. MS CRICHTON Please continue. MS CEKISANI I would like the policeman who was present when I was assaulted to be informed that I am unable to work and I am unable to support my children. And that the Truth Commission see in which way it can assist me. MS CRICHTON Thank you and then a last question. You talk about your children, how many are they? Who are you dependants? MS CEKISANI I have two children. One is in standard 6, the other one is in standard 7. The one was born in 1978 and the other was born in 1983. MS CRICHTON And you are receiving a grant for them? Or did you say you are surviving through your mother's grant? MS CEKISANI I do receive a grant of R250-00 per month for them. MS CRICHTON Thank you very much Mrs Cekisani, we have noted your requests and I am going to hand you back to the Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON Mrs Cekisani, were you a member of any political organisation at that time? MS CEKISANI Yes, I was but I was not there. I was a member of the ANC but I left the area to go and work. CHAIRMAN We are trying to establish what the reason is for these people having tortured you in such a way. MS CEKISANI I do not know, because they wanted to know from me if I had a letter of permission allowing me to walk around at night, because there had been a curfew declared. CHAIRMAN And were Qina and Williams some of the people that were also arrested? Were the other people that were arrested with you, also tortured that badly? MS CEKISANI There was just one other girl that was severely tortured. She was also in the car in which I was. Three of them had worked at a bakery. CHAIRMAN This boy. MS CEKISANI Sorry, it is not a girl, it is a boy. CHAIRMAN He is still in Fort Beaufort? MS CEKISANI Yes. CHAIRMAN We thank you Mrs Cekisani for coming to tell your story. As I have said it sketches the picture of torture which I do not think we have seen much about recently in this hearing, torture on a female person with the jumper leads of a car attached to the batteries of a motor vehicle and to the ears of a person. We have never come across that form of torture. We would be very interested in discovering these means of torture so that our report to the State President can be as comprehensive and complete as possible. But this type of torture we find rather surprising, especially being administered to a female person. As we have said we will follow up on what you have said here today. We will go to (indistinct) and Sqila and see which other information we can obtain. Also from Dr Botha and Dr Claasen and see which report we could obtain from them. We thank you very much for having come.