hrvtrans HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS 1997-04-08 GRAHAMSTOWN 2 MPHIWISI DAVID "SIGCAWU" NAZO EC1223/96ALB https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55144&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/gtown/nazo.htm REV XUNDU Mphiwisi David "Sigcawu" Nazo, please stand up. MPHIWISI DAVID "SIGCAWU" NAZO (Duly sworn in, states). REV XUNDU Thank you. Mr Chairperson, he has been properly sworn in. CHAIRPERSON We welcome you, Mr Nazo. We will hand over to Tiny Maya to lead you with questions on behalf of the Commission. MS MAYA Thank you Mr Chairperson. Mr Nazo, in your statement here you are going to tell us about yourself, about two incidents from 1976 up until 1986 or 1976 and 1983. Please explain to us what was happening at that time. Were you a member of any organisation? MR NAZO Yes, I was a member of COSAS. I was doing standard six at the time. MS MAYA What year was this? Is it 1976? MR NAZO Yes, it was 1976. MS MAYA What happened in 1976? MR NAZO In 1976 we were protesting against the use of Afrikaans as a medium of expression in schools. We wanted English to be used. We took steps as students. We burnt down Afrikaans books. After the police were called to our school. They then took us to the police station. They beat us, they assaulted us. They would put a sack, a wet sack in our faces and tie this sack. All this time they would beat us. MS MAYA For how long did you stay in prison? MR NAZO I stayed for a week. We were then released after that week. After three weeks a school was burnt. We were then detained again, because the police wanted us to tell them who burnt down the school. At that time there was one white police, Kraus and Jibilikile Khani, they would take us to the garage and beat us with the fishing rods. All the time we were doing push-ups and they would beat us with these fishing rods. MS MAYA Where was this garage? MR NAZO It was in the police station. MS MAYA You said that you were doing standard six, how old were you? MR NAZO I was about 15 or 16 years old. MS MAYA What was the name of the school you attended? MR NAZO It was Cannon Higher Primary School. MS MAYA When you were taken back to the cells, for how long did you stay there? MR NAZO I stayed for a month, but one Sunday when the Boers were beating us certain people cried. We were then released on Monday. MS MAYA Did you appear before the Magistrate? MR NAZO No, I appeared before the Magistrate when I was arrested for public violence when I was coming from St Albans. MS MAYA What year was this? MR NAZO It was in 1983. I was arrested all the time. My home was a prison. I did not have time to stay at home and to enjoy life with my family. As I result of this I am confused, I do not remember, clearly, the dates. I would be released this morning at 11, they will come again and arrest me at three. MS MAYA From 1976? MR NAZO Yes, from 1976. I was then arrested under the State of Emergency. They took me to Kennispos where I was assaulted the whole day. They would give me porridge all the time. They then transferred me to Peterson in an old cell that has weeds in it. They then transferred me to St Albans. We were tortured there. There, Mr Sandi was there, we were together in that prison. In St Albans it was a very terrible situation. They then transferred me to Kirkwood. Then it was better in Kirkwood. When I was supposed to be released they said I was charged with public violence. They took me to Kenton. That was the 13th month I was in prison all the time. I appeared in court, I was released with a R500,00 bail. They gave me a date to appear in court. I then hired a lawyer, Mr Sandi. The case continued for three days. The advocate there was Mr Fourie from Grahamstown. On the third day the Magistrate argued with the advocate and after that the Magistrate asked them why they were arresting me. After that the case was withdrawn. MS MAYA As you were arrested as a student, you were doing standard six, you will be arrested in the morning and in the evening. Did you manage to continue with your education? MR NAZO I went to Ciskei to continue with my education. When I completed my standard eight my father passed away. I tried to do standard nine. After passing standard nine my mother passed away, my brothers were looking after me. I tried to do standard ten. One white man helped me. I managed to get my standard ten certificate. MS MAYA Do you remember the name of this white man? MR NAZO It was Mr Terry Marais from Durban. MS MAYA Is he still alive? MR NAZO Yes, he is. MS MAYA We will ask you to give us his details if you can. What is your state of health? MR NAZO In my head I have, my veins are painful in my head. I went to Port Alfred. They told me that I was suffering from TB, but then they discovered that I had pneumonia. MS MAYA When was it? MR NAZO It was in last year. MS MAYA Was this a result of cold prison cells? MR NAZO Yes. MS MAYA Do you have a request to the Commission? MR NAZO Yes, I do have a request to the Commission. MS MAYA What is your request to the Commission? MR NAZO My request is that I would like to further my studies. There is nobody to support me now. Even at my home, I stay alone together with my child. My child is four years old. I cannot even afford the money for him to attend a pre-school. MS MAYA You said that you have standard ten certificate, what would you like to do? MR NAZO I would like to go to university if it is possible. MS MAYA What career would you like to pursue? MR NAZO At this time I cannot tell you, because I tried to go to technikons, but I could not afford financially. MS MAYA Is that all you want to say? MR NAZO Yes, that is all. MS MAYA Thank you. I will hand over to the Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON Mr Nazo, were there any other people who were with you at the time you were arrested? MR NAZO Yes. CHAIRPERSON What are their names? MR NAZO Norman Thomas, he is staying in Kenton. Sgagele Mbunge, he is also in Kenton. Others are in Cape Town and others are in Port Elizabeth. CHAIRPERSON You said Sgagele Mbunge. These people can be your witnesses that you were arrested by the people you mentioned in your statement? MR NAZO Yes. CHAIRPERSON When you were in prison were you tortured in any way? MR NAZO Yes, I was tortured, Sir. At the time I was in Kennispos they put this sack and they would take cigarettes and put them out in my body. CHAIRPERSON Can you please explain about the sack? MR NAZO They would take this sack to water and they would put in my fact and beat me and assault me. Those were detectives from Grahamstown. CHAIRPERSON When did you realise that you were suffering from TB? MR NAZO It was in November in 1995. I was just released from prison. CHAIRPERSON Was it 1996? MR NAZO No, it was 1995. CHAIRPERSON I cannot count properly, do not howl me. You found out that you are suffering from TB. MR NAZO Yes. CHAIRPERSON Are you receiving treatment? MR NAZO I have just completed my treatment this year. I am staying at home right now. CHAIRPERSON Where did you get your treatment, in which hospital? MR NAZO In the Santa Marjorie Hospital in Port Alfred. CHAIRPERSON When we want your medical treatment records are we going to be able to get them there? MR NAZO Yes, the statement takers from the Truth Commission, they did go there and get my records. CHAIRPERSON Thank you Mr Nazo. We have noted that the people you mentioned, those who arrested you, Jibilikile Khani, would like to appear in front of the Commission to contradict the evidence you have just given us, but we just found out that he sent his representative, Chris de Klerk, who will give testimony on his behalf. We thank you for now. We will ask you to go back to your seat.