hrvtrans HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION HEARINGS 1996-04-25 HEIDERVELD 4 CT/00620 GUY JAVENS MARILYN JAVENS KILLED https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55182&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/heide/ct00620.htm CHAIRPERSON You want to continue Mary? DR BORAINE MARILYN JAVENS Duly sworn states MS BURTON MS JAVENS More than wonderful And was just at the end of that song that the doors opened and I thought it was of the wind. And I saw this man standing there and I realised that he had a gun in his hand and he started moving from left to right. I must have still been looking at him without realising it. And I got up and he was still on his haunches and I think I was a bit bewildered at that stage, everybody was milling around and with that an usher came down in front of me towards my husband. And he bent down and obviously to him to feel his pulse and I just said to him is he alive and he shook his head. MS BURTON MS JAVENS And it was shortly after that my son came to fetch me. And I only - a couple of days later I was just - I was brought to the church before the funeral just to be - to feel more comfortable with it. And it was only then that I realised the extent of what had happened for what I saw while they were cleaning up. Holes in the carpets and blood and it was terrible. But I can only - I can say that the only way I got through this was knowing God, he helped me through it. MS BURTON Is there something - anything else you would like to say before I ask my Colleagues if they want to ask you any questions. MS JAVENS MS BURTON Thank you, thank you, you could ask. CHAIRPERSON Thank you very much. Pumla Gobodo. MS GOBODO-MADIKIZELA MS JAVENS MS GOBODO-MADIKIZELA Thank you. CHAIRPERSON Thank you Advocate Ntsebeza. ADV NTSEBEZA Was that by itself able to make a focus on the sort of society that South Africa has been and on the conflicts of the past. And what are your views there about? MS JAVENS ADV NTSEBEZA Is the suggestion in the newspapers has been that this attack was part of the political conflicts. MS JAVENS ADV NTSEBEZA Yes. MS JAVENS ADV NTSEBEZA MS JAVENS ADV NTSEBEZA Yes. MS JAVENS So - and quite frankly I think the whole world, nobody wanted to own up to something like this because the whole world was devastated by it. ADV NTSEBEZA And you are saying that even since then you have not tried to look back on South African society and see it in the context of those who misguided or not, were regarding that as part of the conflicts of the past. Have you never reflected on those sort of things since then? MS JAVENS Not - not really I just when the one 17 year old was caught, I went through mixed emotions. ADV NTSEBEZA MS JAVENS ADV NTSEBEZA As a person, would you be able to forgive those [intervention] MS JAVENS I have forgiven. ADV NTSEBEZA Oh! I see. MS JAVENS ADV NTSEBEZA CHAIRPERSON Thank you very much, any - no. Thank you.