hrvtrans HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS 1997-06-09 EAST LONDON 1 MRS NOMAZIZI GANGALA / MR MICHAEL NDALISO EC1836/97 ELN EC1979/97 ELN EC2050/97 ELN https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55231&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/hrvel2/elnganga.htm REV XUNDU I greet you this afternoon. Mr Chairperson, I request to swear the witnesses in. Nomazizi Gangala? MRS NOMAZIZI GANGALA (sworn states) REV XUNDU Michael, Thembakazi Tuku and Themba Faku? MR THEMBA FAKU (sworn states) MR MICHAEL NDALISO (sworn states) REV XUNDU Can I lead them in evidence? Nomazizi Gangala, we welcome you this afternoon to the Commission. Could you briefly tell us your story in order for us to have a clear picture regarding the incident you are here to tell us about. MRS GANGALA REV XUNDU What Standard was he doing? MRS GANGALA Standard Six. REV XUNDU Was he a member of any organisation? MRS GANGALA No he was not a member of any organisation, it was the father who was a member of a political organisation. REV XUNDU MRS GANGALA No. REV XUNDU Was there a post-mortem? MRS GANGALA No, they said that they found him killed by other prisoners in the cell. REV XUNDU Did you go to any attorneys? MRS GANGALA No. REV XUNDU Did you get a death certificate? MRS GANGALA No I did not, I even tried now but they said I must go to the police station where I was told to go to West Bank. REV XUNDU So you buried your child? MRS GANGALA Yes. REV XUNDU You buried your child peacefully? MRS GANGALA Yes. REV XUNDU Do you have requests before the Commission? MRS GANGALA I would just like to know who the perpetrators are because I have an idea they were seen by witnesses but I want to make sure because these people were sent by the Government, they were under the Government of the day who were beating people. REV XUNDU MRS GANGALA No. REV XUNDU Thank you, perhaps my colleagues have questions. REV XUNDU Michael Ndaliso? Michael Ndaliso will you please briefly tell us how your boy was murdered. MR NDALISO REV XUNDU Where was your child shot and how? When did she get shot? MR NDALISO They asked if I wanted to take the corpse then. REV XUNDU MR NDALISO REV XUNDU Are there any people who informed what happened or do you have any information? MR NDALISO No, not from the police. REV XUNDU Was she working, was Julia working? MR NDALISO Yes she worked in town. REV XUNDU What was she doing? MR NDALISO She was cleaning office windows. REV XUNDU Do you have children? MR NDALISO We have three. Sandile is the eldest and there are two that are at school. REV XUNDU Did you get a death certificate stating how your child died? MR NDALISO Yes I did. REV XUNDU Did you lay charges or did you investigate the matter? MR NDALISO Yes it was the legal representative here in Highway, Mike Rabe. REV XUNDU What happened? MR NDALISO Mike Rabe did not take this case to the end because he left Mdantsane and I went to another attorney, Lale, in town. REV XUNDU What are your requests? MR NDALISO REV XUNDU What Standards are they doing? MR NDALISO I have a daughter and a son. REV XUNDU What Standards are they doing? MR NDALISO REV XUNDU MR NDALISO Yes both my wife and I are. REV XUNDU Is that all? MR NDALISO That is all. REV XUNDU Thank you Sir. Perhaps my co-panelists will ask you questions later. REV XUNDU MR FAKU Yes he was my son. REV XUNDU Please tell us briefly what happened on that day. MR FAKU REV XUNDU Was there a court case after this shooting incident or did you go to any attorneys? We do understand your pain Mr Faku and I trust you are now ready for us to continue. Was there a court case or did you go to any attorneys? MR FAKU REV XUNDU Is the perpetrator the one you mentioned here? MR FAKU REV XUNDU Is he still around? MR FAKU REV XUNDU Our investigators can go to him and investigate so that he can give us more information. MR FAKU REV XUNDU Thank you Sir. Do you have any requests for us to forward to the State President concerning this matter? MR FAKU REV XUNDU What else would you like us to forward to the State President? MR FAKU One other thing is that I would like Kepo to come forward and tell the Commission the truth. REV XUNDU MR FAKU REV XUNDU Maybe you would like a memorial where young children can be educated? MR FAKU REV XUNDU Thank you Sir, is that all? MR FAKU Yes that is all. REV XUNDU Thank you Mr Chairperson I will now hand over to you. REV FINCA June Crichton? MS CRICHTON Mrs Gangala please. Mrs Gangala can you hear me? MRS GANGALA Yes I can hear you. MS CRICHTON I just need some clarification from you, you said that the father of this child Diliza was involved in a political organisation but that he was not, is that correct? MRS GANGALA Yes that is correct. MS CRICHTON And he was eighteen years old so he was not a member of COSAS? MRS GANGALA No he was not a member. MS CRICHTON So the attack on him was a totally unjustified attack. The second thing I want to say to you is you mentioned that somebody or "they" told you that other prisoners had killed him, who were the "they", who told you that? MRS GANGALA The people who told me were my neighbours. MS CRICHTON Do have any idea how they found that out? MRS GANGALA They saw this. MS CRICHTON What is your belief? MRS GANGALA MS CRICHTON Concerning his death, how do you believe he died? MRS GANGALA He died because he was beaten up by the police. MS CRICHTON Thank you. REV FINCA I want to check this point, Landile Jongile is he here? REV XUNDU REV FINCA We have listened carefully to your requests, if it was upon us we would try and answer your requests now because we are talking of the heroes who sacrificed their lives to try and liberate this country but our job is to listen and after listening to you when we give the report to the President next year we will present your requests to the President so that he can see what he can do.